A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Getting angry over images of mythical skydaddy means you have mental issues.
Getting angry at a boy who made fake nude images of your daughter is 100% justifiable
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
Sorry for the wall of text. I tried to tldr it and failed.
proper tldr is hospitalized my bully. Mom invited a detective to the meeting, who threatened to arrest the vice principal for aiding and abetting assault of a minor.
I got pretty much that too happen in middle school. Beat the shit out of a bully who was punching one of my friends repeatedly in the head. Like kicked him in the testes then started stomping on his hands with steel toed boots and broke his bones so bad he had to move to another town for rehab, beat him badly.
My mom found a detective who’s kid was also getting bullied to show at up the meeting. VP was the disciplinarian in our school. We headed into the room with him, with the principal already sitting at the end of table. He didnt say an word that entire meeting.
My mom tried to open the meeting up while we were getting settled, by asking what the school was going to do to prevent students from having to take ‘drastic measures of self defense.’ VP immediately stood back up and started yelling about how it was HIS meeting and it was my actions in question. The detective, who was still standing, calmly unbuttoned his jacket, revealing his gun and badge, and calmly told the VP to sit the fuck down.
He started interrogating the VP about student reports of violence, when hed been informed, what hed done about it, etc. Then he told the VP that either he was leaving that room with steps already in place to ensure there would be no more violence, or he was going to arrest the VP for aiding and abetting in multiple assaults and abuse of a minor. He also threatened that arresting him for that would have the VP’s sons in sleeping in DSS custody that night.
Shortly after that I was sent back to class, but not before he cautioned the VP in front of me that any attempts to punish me for the fight would be seen as retaliation for reporting his actions, and making good sure I knew to call him (the detective) if that happened.
Like i said, the main bully was out of school, but his 2 friends were called in to the office shortly after that and expelled for the year. Then an announcement for a school wide assembly on bullying. Which was a pretty funny assembly. They both claimed they were implementing a 0 tolerance policy (which how we broke that is a story for another day) but also (clearly demanded by the detective) litrerally read out the states laws on self defense, stressed that students had an absolute right to defend themselves from violence which no adult could take away.
A police officer was there, who ended up becoming the high school’s student resource officer, who then told students that if reports of harassment or violence were falling on deaf ears of the faculty, to please report that to the local PD who most definitely would pay attention.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
The AI nuance makes this make more sense… the law has yet to catch up.
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Absolutely, but all I’m saying is you can probably lose an assault case and still win a completely different lawsuit at the same time, one of the lawyers will end up paying for the other.
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
School administration is a joke
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not of her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
Violence isn’t the answer to trolling.
I hope this girl gets better influences that can show her right from wrong and how to be the bigger person. Her reaction would not fly in the real world.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
HL Mencken
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
A person putting a hidden camera in a child’s bathroom to get videos of them naked is also child porn and they also deserve violence upon them.
Making sexually explicit AI videos of minors absolutely deserves violence
If the article instead said the girls father who happens to be Mike Tyson punched the 13 year old boy so hard he had brain damage I could see an argument for that possibly being excessive.
With an emphasis on “possibly”
You are either uninformed or callous to the amount of damage that those videos can have to a 13yr old girl.
But the actions that boy took likely permanently altered that girls life for the worse including a significantly higher chance of suicide
It’s porn.
She’s a child.
It’s child porn.
Her first response wasn’t violence. She was let down badly by the school then pushed and pushed until she hit him.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That was what was stated and also seems to be agreed is the correct response to
child pornsorry “sexualy explicit AI videos of minors”.
Hey guy, YOU don’t get to make explicit videos/pictures of whatever weird shit you want if it involves another person.
This involved a real little girl who now knows for a fact that there’s a little boy who sees her boundaries as non-existent and just uses her body however the fuck he wants with no regard to her feelings.
Get all the way fucked. I wish she beat his ass for this.
Exactly. Even if this was two adults it’d still be incredibly fucked up and wrong and, if in a workplace, should be a slam dunk win in a lawsuit
I never said it was acceptable and the perpetrator was punished by the law.
if you think it’s acceptable to use violence to respond to AI videos being made of you, you need serious help.
Hopefully you, or your children, don’t get their ass kicked or worse trying to be macho. It happens all the time.
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
I’m poking holes in his argument heehee!
These are real fucking people. Get some empathy.
You’re making yourself look like a pedocnore than anything. Playing devils advocate over CSAM makes you the bad guy.
Imagine creating an account just to go and try to make the argument that some depictions of child pornogrophy isn’t as bad as children being raped. Because you feel the need to compare and rank them, why exactly?
I don’t know if you’re serious or think you’re being some edgy troll. Regardless. Please go to the nearest mirror and ask yourself if this truly is the best version of yourself.
Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
A new account defending sexual assault? Classy.
Go back to reddit, pervert.
I love the double down edit.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
What about 14? Is it ok then?
She got expelled for doing something stupid at 13. Are they the same?
Until at least 18 he should be. Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal. Sharing it with classmates is seriously sick behavior. He sounds like an aspiring rapist and needs a serious wake up call.
Check this dude’s hard drives
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
Only once she hit him.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
When I worked on the help desk I used to suggest to my boss that we should get one free “go off on a caller” per month and that it would do wonders for morale. He did not agree with me.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
Hopefully you don’t get picked by Deonte Wilder. Kinda a death sentence for anyone that
isn’t trainedisn’t able to defend themselves.I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
‘How I met your mother’'s SLAP Bet was amazing.
I’m convinced that kids starting to get in so much trouble for fighting (really started up about 30 years ago) is why so many people have grown up being little assholes. No one grew up learning consequences for being a dick.
I’m flabbergasted that the school wouldn’t let her call her parents. I don’t see how they have the right to do that without parental permission, not matter the reason why. But that supports violence. She tried what she was taught to do. The adults in the building failed. So she stood up for herself.
We have fists for a reason. And in this case, I believe it’s justified.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
From a perspective of objective neutrality, in a state of nature, the ethically justified response is killing the aggressor.
By doing so for tens of thousands of years, humanity weened itself of the psychopathy that had dominated our species, until civilization could actually arise.
The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
Congratulations on your new flair!
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
“it takes two to tango” that is, there’d not be a fight if the victim didn’t resist. Therefore both parties are at fault /s
yuuuup “Why’d you hit back? Now I can’t ignore it!”
I also think teachers get used to bullies because they act out so frequently and just accept their behavior as default, so they subconsciously think yeah that kid is supposed to hit other kids, but it was weird the quiet one flipped out all of a sudden (flipped out meaning acted exactly like the kid they ignore does all the time)
I don’t think it’s really the teachers that brush it off. Most teachers do actually care. It’s the administration that doesn’t have their backs.
Teachers definitely brush it off. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I was the victim, all the fucking time. I still remember elementary school in Philly, I was the only Asian kid in the class. Holy fucking shit, the bully always had co-conspirstors testifying against me, defending their mini-“gang leader” and nothing is ever done.
Those classes where there were a few ABCs (“American Born Chinese”), they would never defend me, not physically, nor even just verbally telling the bully to fuck off, I was just fucking alone.
nope you got it.
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
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She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Yep. It is a very limited world view to only count physical brutality for these kinds of judgements.
This has always been my contention with this policy. It’s one thing to prohibit physical violence. It’s another thing entirely to create an environment where everyone escalates to verbal abuse (bullying) and other forms of assault, yet have no ‘zero tolerance’ policy for those things.
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
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Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
Was he expelled though? Only physical violence is an expellable offense? Making porn of a classmate and sharing it doesn’t get you expelled? What the fuck?
Would that be CSAM? Seems pretty serious if it was any 13 year old girl period.
My personal opinion - if he had not SHARED it with anyone and it was AI, I would chalk it up to teenage boy messing around, nobody was hurt, right? Sharing it with his friends is different, so different. That is distribution, and hardcore bullying that should get you expelled, if one punch gets her expelled. I don’t really have any idea of what the laws say when it’s a child doing this with a peer.
If it’s not CSAM then it should be
If a child deliberately burns down a house, is it not arson? Crimes are still crimes, even when there is no legally culpable party. Falling trees do make a sound, even when nobody can hear them.
The kid who did needs to be treated as an offender in every way but legally. Mandatory counselling, school-based corrections, suspension, that sort of thing.
She was 100% in the right and this is not morally ambiguous
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
While I agree with the sentiment on the surface, naïveté doesn’t solve the root issue. We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct. Sociopaths and misogynists will always exist. That’s why it’s important for a healthy society to root them out as soon as they show their true colors.
We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct.
I’m doing my part.
This is a long story but satisfying…
One morning about ten years back we’re having breakfast and my son arrived down. His mum immediately noticed he had a (mild) black eye. He’s college age at this point. Maybe 19 or so and had been out the night before. His younger sisters would have been at the table.
The girl he was seeing at the time was wearing a dress that had a long zip going all the way down the back. Well some asshat decided it would be funny to pull on that zip as he walked past and really upset the girl. So my young lad walks up to ask him what the fuck he was doing. He more or less gets told it was a joke and to calm down and fuck off.
The scum was with his group of friends at this point and he was on his own so he’s heavily outnumbered but he’s tall and strong and had some experience in the ring but had never been in a fight.
He thought about it for a moment and his decision was to absolutely mash that lad with one solid punch then cover up, knowing that the bouncers would be over quickly.
He said it landed perfectly and he thought he broke the perpetrators nose. He knew how to cover up properly so took minimal damage.
I couldn’t have been more proud. Still am. Sometimes teaching scum that they’re scum through violence is the answer.
Exactly, this shit is on his parents just as much as on him. More even. His parents didn’t teach him to respect women and girls and in general to respect other people’s boundaries.
I also think self defense for girls and young women should be a mandatory class taught at every school. This boy is already degrading girls sexually against their will. Girls should know how to protect themselves from creeps like him.
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
Brain dead take. This is not a matter of parenting, it’s a matter of policy. You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place. Hormonal teenagers will forever be horny and creative. If they’re not finding every loophole to have sex, then they’re going to find the wackiest methods to get the next best thing. For some teen who can barely think straight, this is a quick way to get satisfaction from a crush without having the bravery of actually interacting with them.
That convenience is the problem. It is SO easy for anyone to get their hands on deepfake technology, and they’re so easy to use. You just find one of the hundreds of websites online, post a picture, and boom you’re done. Not only is it that easy, but their parents don’t even know such a technology exists because they come from a different era. In fact, they many won’t know of it until it’s too late.
Besides, no amount of talks stopped or parental controls stopped teens from watching porn, why would this be any different? The answer is that it’s not. The only serious way to address this issue, and it is a big issue, is through legislation. There’s need to be a federal ban that completely outlaws these deepfake websites, and this ban has to be actually enforced. At the very least there needs to be state bans, there just has to be some sort of legislation in place to ban or regulate this tech. Currently there is nothing.
Will this be fool proof? Of course not, when there’s a will, there’s a way. However, it will become way more difficult for your average person to do so. A 13 year can find a website and upload a picture, but it’ll harder for them to go on the dark web and do the same thing or install an AI model like Stable Diffusion locally and set it up to do deepfakes. These extra steps remove the convenience out of the equation, and make things like normal porn or interacting with their peers the better option.
You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place.
Yes you fucking can, if by scolding you mean talking to them.
Have conversations with them on how to be respectful of their peers. All their peers. Talk about things that are problems in the grades above them and tell them how it emotionally impacts people. Ask them how they feel about stuff they see it school, what they see. Frame tolerance for awful things as a moral failure.
Expect them to be decent for fucks sake, and they probably will.
You sound completely out of touch.
If you bothered to read the rest of the comment instead of just the first two sentences, you’ll see that I explained exactly why this an idiotic idea that won’t achieve anything. You have to actually be brain dead to think that finger wagging to a bunch of teenagers is going to result in anything, not to mention that you can’t control how parents will raise their kids nor can you control the knowledge parents have of this tech. This is something that can ONLY be solved through legislation.
Yeah I’m going to work on the real root cause which is the culture that promotes uncaring and malicious behavior, regardless of the technology that is being used to exact that behavior.
It’s out of touch to think that this sort of thing don’t happen with more crude tools. Are you going to play wack a mole with every new tool and platform that comes up?
I hate to break it to you, but this is a phenomenon happening all over the world, it’s not unique to any single society or culture. Not to mention that you don’t even have a real proposal in mind. Your grand solution here is demonize boys and wag your finger at their parents, if you think that’s going to achieve anything then you’re really are out of touch.
If all you care about is wagging your finger to feed your weird moral superiority complex, go ahead. However, I don’t have any interest in that. I want to see real, pragmatic, and tangible steps being taken to ensure that we get real results. The reality is that we have a new technology that’s completely unregulated, and this lack of regulation is causing this tech to be utilized in ways that shouldn’t be allowed. Deepfake websites shouldn’t be allowed to operate legally, and kids shouldn’t be able to access them so easily. Will a ban stop everyone? Of course not, however, it will greatly decrease the amount of people seeking because it’s not longer convenient to do so That’s how we can prevent situation like this one.
Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
Even a boy hitting a boy/girl who had been bullying them for months would be punished harsher than the one tormenting them.
Well, he was charged with 10 crimes, she was charged with nothing, so I wouldn’t conclude that she ultimately got the worst of it.
The expulsion was almost certainly unfair (though details on why expulsion over much more typical punishments for this sort of thing in a middle school are completely absent, which I find strange), but it can be a lot more easily ‘undone’ than the criminal charges.
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Especially not if there are zero consequences.
Yeah, you can tell how clear he makes it by his overall statement being completely ungendered, the moment he’s not talking about this boy specifically:
Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do.
How exactly is the above sentence favoring boys over girls in any way? I also don’t see him criticizing his daughter for the actions she took, either.
I think you just want there to be misogyny, to confirm your biases.
It’s people like you that enable rapists.
You lied that the father said “boys will be boys”, and all I did was point out the lie and correct it, by quoting his actual words, and pointing out their gender neutrality.
So people who call out and correct liars enable rapists? Explain how. Be specific.
That father is either a far far better person than I am, or an idiot. I’d be fucking furious.
He’s bending over backwards to be nice and ignoring all the importance of being kind. He’s an idiot.
What he did is WAY worse. Fuck that kid, or make a deepfake porn of it? I dont know what lesson the law wants us to get out of this. If she’s expelled, dude needs to deported.
They expelled her. That seems crazy if it is her first incident. Suspension sure.
More importantly, how did the school address the bullying? Did the person who made it see any consequences? Did she report it and did the school ignore it? All of those matter.
From the article:
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
and
Lafourche Parish Sheriff Craig Webre said one student was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence in September.
The sheriff noted that additional arrests and charges are possible.
Seems like she has a pretty strong case. The girl’s dad seems more reasonable than most these days:
Despite the situation, Daniels said he holds no animosity toward the boy accused of creating the photo or his family.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Dad seems like a real G. Stood up for his daughter, and showed empathy and understanding towards the kid instead of a lust for vengeance
Let me get this straight… some jackass made deepfake porn of a 13 year old and SHE gets expelled for giving him a well deserved smack?
I hope that asshole gets to be on a sex offender list at least.
a well deserved smack?
Your parents should have raised you better.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
I’m a parent. I would back up my daughter on this one if it happened to her. That is certainly my decision to make and it matters more than you think.
Make it a teachable moment: “Don’t get caught next time”
Yikes. I hope your daughter learns from your mistakes so she doesn’t end up trying to solve her problems with violence when she’s an adult.
You should be teaching her to be the bigger person and how to walk away. I genuinely pity her for having a parent like you.
Edit for the downvoters (again): You would all make horrible parents and will never know the satisfaction of saying you’re proud of your child for being the bigger person and making the mature decision.
You’d better hope your kids don’t end up picking fights they can’t win, because that happens all the time and it isn’t pretty.
P.S. It’s really funny watching you children go through all of my posts and downvote them. I’m glad I don’t have any of you as a parent!
Motherfucker, you know what happens if you walk away from an abuser? They abuse you further. Read the fucking article. Violence wasn’t her first response. It was her last resort. Some need to be dealt with violence, since it’s the only language that they understand.
I see you replying with the same bullshit on over this post. I wonder why you feel so comfortable defending a piece of shit pervert.
You are too far gone and this will be my last reply to you.
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Goodbye, ‘motherfucker.’
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Can you read? If yes, read the article. She did try other things. Nothing worked. It’s easier to say wise-sounding shit when you make up your own facts, I guess.
I hope you step on a lego and develop a skin disease.
Kys
It’s sad that you feel vindicated in saying such things simply because the group is on your side.
Think for yourself. If you can.
Lol. I get it. Your and my dad had morals but didn’t do a lot with them. So we had to show up and be the actual Christian to the friends and family while Dad is away at work. When you get older you realize what was missing was balance and a recognition that there is a season and time for everything - including violence.
You don’t get anything, no matter how much you convince yourself that you do.
I get that it takes a lot of anger to say something like that to a random stranger who can’t physically harm you.
We get it, you’re morally superior to anyone who has ever been willing to physically fight for something, don’t break your arms jerking yourself off up there on your high horse.
You get nothing.
You’re just trying to fit in with your friends.
Violence solves all kinds of problems, what kind of semi-transparent naive hothouse flower are you?
Anyone who claims people are horrible parents for downvoting thier opinion on reddit is… “probably” a horrible parent. Could just be having a bad day or something. But the odds lean pretty far over given the detailed opinions expressed.
This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
Says the guy who gets triggered by negative internet points.
Seriously dude, do some soul searching or something like that. No emotionally stable person makes these kinds of statements.
I think it is you who is the questionable person here.
So a boy made child p**n of a classmate and wasn’t punished but the victim of the crime was?
Americans really living up to their president’s standards eh
By the school.
The police charged the boy and not the girl.
Fucked up world where the school is bad and the cops good.
Americans seem to be too comfortable defending perverts.
Fine, let her be expelled to be free of those jackoffs, but put him in jail for creating and distributing child pornography.
Oh wait, our system is too screwed up for that.
It’s not justice to sacrifice children on the altar of moral outrage. They are both children. One of whom needs serious repercussions to help them learn a valuable lesson that unfortunately doesn’t come easy to everyone.
I’m sorry, but my perspective is that a child who goes that far over the line needs to be punished and made an example. Then again, I’m not in a mood to be kind toward any variety of child pornographer.
And in this case, as I said, I see the expulsion as freeing her from their clutches.
Sure, let’s take a messed up kid, who had no choice in how they were raised, with almost no worldly experience, who’s brain isn’t even fully developed yet, and throw them into a costly system almost guaranteed to turn them into a repeat offender.
I’d rather see people bitch about a lax system and see more reformed criminals than feel the short term thrill of retaliation.
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I’m not going to validate my right to be compassionate by proving I’ve known shit people and had shit experiences.
More to the point, I believe you’re referring to sociopathy and psychopathy when you talk about a lack of empathy, but that’s old science. Newer research shows improvement, especially with early intervention, in treatment of antisocial personality disorders. Psychiatric treatment of comorbities shows overall improvement in symptoms. And, recent studies on ASPD in neuroscience reveal that cognitive empathy isn’t a sliding scale, it’s a gamut, and it’s not even consistent within an individual. So IF someone has ASPD and we’re not just going to kill them, the best option is still evidence-based care.
It’s difficult to diagnose cognitive empathy disorders at a young age, but it’s possible the kid has a conduct disorder — which, along with ASPD, almost certainly has genetic groundwork but is strongly tied to early cognitive development (how he was raised,) and family history.
Regardless of what he has or where he came from, restorative justice is still more effective across the board socially and economically. I think of the worst people I’ve ever known when I consider my view of justice, and I still believe in restorative measures. I’m not only compassionate because I have empathy, but because evidence shows corporal punishment increases recidivism, exacerbates and often causes mental health disorders, and is ultimately an expensive monolith to an outdated belief in justice that isn’t based in fact.
Do I want every lying, cheating, violent piece of shit to face justice? Hell yeah I do. But I want that justice to be JUST and actually fix society instead of taking the bad and making them worse.
I deleted my comment before you could reply because I knew you were going to give me a long windbag answer that I would absolutely not fucking read, and I was right. You are responding to a deleted post. That means I don’t care anymore and you win. Please leave me alone.
I wrote that over three hours ago, not long after you commented. It was still up when I responded.
You should probably read it. It’s informative.
Yes they need to be punished. This is absolutely a serious crime. But kids make mistakes. We didn’t evolve to put this kind of power in the hands of children.
Not the juvie hall, then adult prison, sex offender registry fucked for life kinda punishment.
Like 5 years community service. Court mandated therapy from a psychologist to imprint upon them the serious nature of their error and direct the child to more appropriate behaviours while also evaluating that the kid isn’t just in the early stages of a blooming adult freakshow. He needs to understand himself and why they did it, what they thought was going to happen. Empathy and foresight skills development.
child who goes that far over the line needs to be punished and made an example
to who? other children? What the fuck
We don’t ‘punish and make an example’ out of children in civilized society.
We educate them, allow for reform. Until the child has a mostly formed prefrontal cortex, they shouldn’t receive ‘adult’ type consequences. They literally are not developed enough mentally to grasp all of life’s rights and wrongs. That’s not to say they don’t have a gauge of morality, or some concept of what they think Right is, it’s just not all the way fleshed out and their poor stupid neuron-developing brain doesn’t fire the way it’s going to later in life.
My experience has been that once CSAM gets into a guy’s head, at any age, it never leaves. That’s what needs to be stopped.
The kid was likely 13. He should face consequences, but a 13 year old doesn’t have the mental development to understand the horrific repercussions for something like that. Throwing a 13 year old in juvenile detention for something like this won’t do him any good. Mandatory community service and probation are much more appropriate
I hope they win the lawsuit.
I have a feeling it was the oh-so-popular “0 tolerance” policy that she was punished and he wasn’t. Because the policy didn’t cover what he did. And schools these days love to avoid accountability or being adults when it matters.
Schools with zero tolerance policies are bullshit.
Sometimes kids hit other kids. They’re figuring shit out.
Plus sometimes situations deserve a little violence.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
Zero tolerance? Except for deepfake porn, apparently.
The parents should sue the school for tolerating that.
Everything with a zero tolerance policy is bullshit and just an excuse to avoid having to actually consider nuance and individual situations.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
If the story is true it would be overly excessive for both to be expelled. Also the boy who seems to be 13 years old as well. That’s just very young. But then again I’m from the socialist paradise Germany where we don’t think it’s appropriate to throw kids into prison or ruin their lifes otherwise :)
I’m from Europe, too. Kids are expelled from school for less than this. He absolutely should be expelled and have to have mandatory counseling. A slap on the wrist will just show other kids they can get away with sexual harassment and abuse, and make it even worse for the victims.
Just for you: He is 13 (in words: thirteen).
But demanding draconian punishments is always easy of course.
