I don’t get why something like Mesa even exists. Like, what even is the moment where pulling out your Mensa card is a good idea?
Assuming you are inteligent, you should know that flashing a card from a gatekept “clever people” club will probably not impress many people, just like you should recognize that the test you did doesn’t mean shit and IQ is not a good way how to measure people.
Yeah, no one “flashes a Mensa card” unless they are a jerk. We joined many years ago when we lived in Iowa for the social aspect. The parties are a lot of fun and the people are all fascinating. Not all people you want to spend time with, but fascinating. We let our memberships lapse when we moved back to Colorado.
Nearly universally, Mensans recognized that IQ is only measure of how well you do on an IQ test (which, as you may know, was never intended as a test for the upper end, only to find students who needed intervention) or the other allowed tests.
There were materially successful people and not, socially adept and not. People we learned to avoid and people who became friends. Cringe and connection.
I suppose it is like any other social club where you have something in common with the additional kicker that people were not holding back in conversation. You had the chance to rapidly be humbled in that case if you went on at length about some favorite topic only to find out the person you were talking to was an expert in it.
Plus there were cool speakers and field trips. “Dumb things smart people do” was one of our favorites.
At a guess? Smart people like validation too; and are just as vulnerable to manipulation that uses it. Potentially even more vulnerable, in fact.
The answer is yes
if anyone wants the link https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/mensa/comments/1ci8rdx/do_ultra_high_iq_people_like_big_booty_latinas/
I wish I could remember the story but there was a guy that joined Mensa so he could con people. It worked too which rather seems to suggest that the entry requirements are not all that stringent.
Isn’t mensa sort of a con itself?
Or IQ is a useless measure
IQ is absolute nonsense that tells you literally nothing about intelligence or anything of the like.
Don’t let you convince yourself of something just because you want to believe it’s true. IQ is not an objective measurement of intelligence, but it isn’t completely useless either.
It’s a very good measure if you want to predict how well people will do on IQ tests.
It gives you a good indication of their mental speed and memory.
It is poor at measuring specific abilities or wisdom.
Or computational intelligence isn’t the same thing as skepticism
Or everyone is vulnerable to con games
… Or wisdom.
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And over-identifying woth it is something arrogant shit heads who are easy to con do.
Unlike me. I’m better than that.
Wpuld you like to join my new society of people who are two smart to show off their IQ? You get a cool badge you can show people
Obviously.
Im in!
I think their entry requirements are doing exactly what they’re supposed to.
The problem is that intelligence, even if we could measure it correctly, doesn’t and shouldn’t imply what a person knows, nor their experiences and the wisdom that they carry.
Someone can be learned with a low IQ. Someone can be wise and similarly low IQ. In the same way, someone with a high IQ can be unwise.
The problem with having only one individual metric for a group which believes themselves to compose the smartest people, is that they’re arrogant. I know plenty of people who are so extremely intelligent that I am certain that they could be a part of Mensa; yet, they are not. When they looked into it, they decided it would be unwise to become a member, given the requirements and the attitudes of, and about, the group.
Hell, there’s a decent chance I could get in. I’ve never tried and I don’t care to, for all the same reasons, so I would never know if I could “make it” or not.
Their arrogance and hubris is their undoing.
Mensa is for people who grew up in gifted programs being told that they will achieve greatness just because of the one test they scored hight on, and then they amounted to nothing, so they need a place where they can tell each other that they are unsuccessful only because they are so much smarter than everyone else around them.
High IQ people who manage to do something with their life usually have more to be proud of than an IQ test they took decades ago.
Apparently ultra-high-IQ people like to use comma splices too.
Probably a language thing too. In German, for example, comma splices are grammatically correct.
Comma splices are good!
As a big booty latino I feel both interested and offended by this.
Also, don’t take our big booty latinas pls. We need them for <reasons>.
I’m still wondering what mensa means… I thought it was a like a flat hill.
I think it means table.
Mesa is a flat hill.
Mensa describes itself as a “High IQ Society”. Essentially, anyone who scores well on an IQ test can join, and they have plaques, membership cards, and such they give out. As far as I know, the whole point of Mensa is to say you’re smart enough to be in Mensa.
Ah, never bothered taking an IQ test, seemed like a waste of time. Thanks for the response!
mensa actually means dumb in spanish!
Go find yourself an IQ 300 mensa nerd. They need you
A reddit mod for a mensa sub sounds like possible the most insufferable combination imaginable
If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?
The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That’s just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.
Eh, intelligence is fluid and the whole concept of a single IQ score is broken. Someone with a high IQ can be real-world dumb and someone bad at school math can become a genious engineer. And both can be equally good or bad at politics. It’s all just skills. What matters is mental flexibility (how well you halves are connected) and a healthy image of self and others.
As long as you try to keep a flexible viewpoint and to experience new things now and then, you’re doing more for your skull muscle than most.
Edit: ok, training your visual-conceptual imaginative power seems to be beneficial overall.
As far as I can tell, most people out there have expectations about high IQ people which are straight out of Hollywood films and wholly unrealistic, so best just leave then with whatever de facto impression of brightness they have about you than mention a number and trigger the “Mental Superman” expectations.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is” - if you’re really that bright, brave, strong, beautiful, confident and so on, there is no need to mention it since it’s generally obvious to others.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is”
Or it’s your only quality. The main reason to join Mensa is that you haven’t accomplished anything better since the IQ test you took as a youth.
As I see it, that’s both a problem of low self-confidence and passiveness (or maybe underdeveloped values).
For the first, we all have several qualities, but people often don’t recognize or value certain qualities, especially people driven mainly by what they think others value and hence who end up valuing pretty much just the qualities modern Society focuses on - namely Wealth, Beauty and Brains - which is a typical low self-confidence thing.
For the rest, as I see it, having some inherent quality that one was born with isn’t exactly something deserving of much pride because it’s not something one did anything to achieve. If that much one’s parents deserve the recognition for the “achievement”, though they didn’t actually do it on purpose, so maybe not even them. Having pride in being born with a high IQ makes about as much sense as having pride in being born in a rich family: it’s masturbatory ego stroking about one’s luck rather than a celebration of one’s successes.
Obfuscate your intelligence? Being a reddit mod sounds like it’s part of the plan, then.
Oh snap, you’re right. It’s like a 200 IQ move. 😂
And yet, their comment was on point. Maybe its like w double negative
as someone who qualifies for mensa but like, i ain’t paying a subscription fee to be in the smart people club, that sounds really dumb (and also IQ testing is sketchy at best to begin with)
yes, i always appreciate a big booty, on any ethnicity or gender, so latinas are indeed included
I took their online test out of curiosity and it said I was qualified to join. It was interesting to figure out the mechanism of it though.
From what I gathered, it seems what they’re really measuring is your capacity for pattern recognition and association or something along those lines.
I was curious too. I heard that online test didn’t mean shit, so I did an “official” Mensa Test and well, trust me, you don’t want to join.
following is a summary of a real conversation that I witnessed:
A parent sought advice, their child would fake being sick to avoid school within the first 2 weeks of the first school year. After some conversation, the parent expresses 2 opinions, 1. that they think their child gets bullied and 2. That the child couldn’t express themself well enough to communicate what the issue is. So they just assumed that their child gets bullied, because if my child would tell me that their classmates are mean, I would call that express themself quite well for that age. Then in the conversation, they talk about how they thought their child how to write and read. So they are wondering why their child doesn’t want to go to school after their child was forced to sit in a chair for hours, being taught the alphabet for hours that the child already knew. I wonder 🤔 can someone here tell us why the child doesn’t want to sit in a chair for hours, writing down the same letter again and again as practice for something that they are already able to do? Does someone know?
They really couldn’t figure that one out.
Isn’t this what most of IQ tests do? I sometimes take them because it’s fun to solve the pattern tasks but I feel like it’s nearly impossible to test the really interesting things like transfer and problem solving capabilities in a reliable way at least in this kind of way.
Haha I always thought that people running mensa are the real geniuses for basically selling self-esteem
Exactly! Mensa is essentially the filter for people who think they’re smart but actually aren’t.
People at the peak Dunning-Kruger point of intelligence - just above average intelligent enough to feel they’re “above” most people but not enough to properly understand the full nature of intelligence and its limits.
paying a subscription
Waat (screaming in a low iq)
Mensa is for people smart enough to qualify, but dumb enough to get scammed.
Get scammed? I pay the yearly couple of euros mainly for access to the discussion groups. Sometimes I scroll and notice the dumbest shit and every single time it’s a post from a non-mensa group dirtying up my feed. There really is a noticable difference.
So what types of discussions do you get in places where us dumb dumbs aren’t allowed?
Imagine stack overflow on steroids.
Well, yeah. But with a pleasant, welcoming tone. And very seldom about programming.
This place is similar due to how niche is it. You won’t see your dumb neighbour or loud relative here. The discussion topics are mostly the same as anywhere else, it’s just that you won’t get the type of comments that makes you sigh and scroll faster.
yearly couple of euros
Ok, that’s sensible
there’s a yearly membership fee
IQ testing as many other things, has racist origins and is for all intents and purposes quite useless imo
In the process of diagnosing ADHS (dyslexia, other) disabilities, a IQ test is used to establish a baseline of what other people with a similar result can and cannot do and this is compared to what you can and cannot do.
IQ tests do have uses.
Yup, just like BMI. It’s useful for things and the doctors are aware it isn’t perfect but that’s not what the general population thinks.
“BMI is useless if you have a lot of muscle weight” - Guy with a lot of fat weight
Literally. I’ve had this happen, and then he proceeded to claim that obesity as a concept was not real. 💀
“I’m not fat, I just have a lot of adipose tissue.”
People are allergic to nuance.
dang, i wish they did that for my adhd diagnosis, because i kept looking normal on my tests and had to go on a manhunt to find a doctor who has adhd as well, so they could just vibe check me (and i did, but before that i spent a lot of money on futile tests)
Gotta be dumb af to not like big booty latinas
It’s my impression that people tend to be more attracted to the unusual, so if you’ve grown up surrounded by big booty latinas, they’re not as appealing as otherwise.
When people tell me they like people with brown eyes (as someone with brown eyes) I have always presumed they are lying but just want to flatter me. It’s a stupid thing on my end I’m sure, but my brain still does it
Damn right, that’s why I married one.
so true
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
No, high iq people like big tiddy latinas.
Perfection
I’ll consider this an IQ test and apply for Mensa
Ok, so there is a pattern to this, and it has nothing to do with IQ per se.
It has everything to do with political alignment. And it’s a multi-variant association (1. booty v. boobs, and 2. race / ethnicity / religion).
I’ll use US-centric political terminology here.
Hear me out:
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Men who prefer big healthy asses tend to lean left/Democrat/liberal/progressive. Men who prefer big boobs tend to lean right/Republican/conservative/fash.
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Men who are willing to date outside their own race / ethnicity tend to be more progressive than those who prefer to stay within their own race / ethnicity (although progressives can happily find partners within their own ethnic group, too; whereas conservative almost always look within their own ethnicity first).
So, an appreciation for big booty Latinas signifies a. someone who leans left (booty), and b. a progressive willing to date outside their own race (assuming he’s not also Latino).
A progressive / Democrat / liberal / lefty can also date PAWGs, big booty Black women, etc. and be perfectly happy.
A Republican will only date someone within their ethnicity 95%+ of the time (some exceptions exist, but it’s relatively rare), and they ALWAYS prefer big mommy milkers, caring very little, or naught at all, for booties.
So there you go. This is 100% anecdote, but one day, I guarantee, the research and science will back me up on this, as soon as someone conducts it.
In the meantime, think about all the straight men you know in your life, and think about their partners. You’ll begin to notice the pattern. Some exceptions, sure, but a pattern nonetheless.
As of yet inconclusive: whether or not “horseshoe theory” applies to any of this. I’ll need more samplings from Leftist authoritarians to compare against Left-liberals, Left-libertarians, and Left-anarchists. More data needed.
whereas conservative almost always look within their own ethnicity first
Funnily enough, I don’t really see that happen. At least in my group of friends, the ones with the Filipino wives (and other wives from far away) are usually very conservative. They are then also very happy to talk badly about her family, her relatives and people from her country in general, but “she’s one of the good ones”.
Maybe it’s due to the fact that they can’t find a local woman who’d accept them, and that way they get a wife with very conservative values who’s also happy to talk badly about her family/relatives/people.
(Also, the fact that it’s illegal for Filipinos to get a divorce, with the only exception being if they are married to a foreigner and that foreigner starts the divorce process outside of the Philippines might be seen as a bonus by these guys.)
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Progressive here.
I’m a boobs guy and never have I dated outside my ethnic group
I think of myself as a progressive and I like both. But my country is like 99% white so I don’t get to play outside my group either :(
Anecdote disproves unsubstantiated opinion.
Science!
Cons:
No science points were generated
Pros:
Talked about some boobs
I’m a boobs guy and never have I dated outside my ethnic group
Yet,
This is 100% anecdote, but one day, I guarantee, the research and science will back me up on this, as soon as someone conducts it.
What’s stopping you? Haven’t you heard that the only difference between science and screwing around is writing things down? Start screwing around and writing down your findings!
Conclusive
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Doubt you’d find either in a Mensa subreddit.
