Historically they didn’t give a fuck about a lot of things until they are searching for reasons to hate someone or a group of people.
Take drag performance… drag is an ANCIENT tradition in Western theater that goes back into Ancient Greece. Name a comedian active in the black and white film era and I will show you a drag performance they made. Laurel and Hardy, the Three Stooges, they all did it, and exactly no one told them it was wrong.
even the services did drag shows, until it became too much associated with trans people.
Don’t make the mistake of assuming the stances they take and the words they use are genuine arguments given in good faith. They will manipulate language and make claims just to achieve their own ends. They don’t care about consistency. There is no goalpost they won’t move. You can’t convince them they are wrong using words.
Its okay to have a different name as long as your conservative.
Just ask Rafael Edward Cruz, famous Texas Magician who disappears everytime things go bad for his constituents.
I think the issue is people getting hung up on the gender identity, not the name. I have known lots of people who go by preferred names, whether chosen themselves or given to them by friends as nicknames. Hell, there are a few people I knew for years only by their preferred name/nickname without realizing it wasn’t their given name.
And stage names make a lot of sense from a practical standpoint. Being famous by your given name can make it hard to separate professional life from personal life.
Don’t know if it’s the case in her situation, but there’s also the thing with stage names where Guild rules require names to be unique. Like Michael J. Fox’s middle name is actually Andrew. There was already a Michael Fox on the books so couldn’t use that, Andrew or Andy Fox didn’t feel right, and Michael A. Fox felt presumptuous (Michael, a fox. Fox having recently come into play as a synonym for attractive) or Canadian (Michael Eh? Fox)
This is why in The Simpson you will see David S. Cohen and in Futurama he is David X. Cohen. I think in a Futurama commentary he told about confusion in a guild or royalty payments that made him change how he was credited.
100% agree. If whoopi goldberg had chose their name for gender purposes, i could see them getting hate and being told it’s a stupid reason etc.
They don’t seem to mind that JD Vance has had a bunch of different names.
I would call myself JD too if my parents named me Jerkin Dapenis as well.
“JV Dunce”
Or that he’s referred to a JD.
Tommy Robinson, JK Rowling …give me a bit, I’ll think of more.
Going back a ways bigots had a problem with both Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) and Kareem Abdul Jabbar (Lew Alcindor) but were fine with John Wayne (Marion Morrison).
Change your name to make yourself more palatable to a wider audience? Good.
Change your name to make yourself more palatable for yourself? Bad, apparently.
Pen names are ancient, too. Mark Twain? Real name is Samuel Clements. Charles Dickens used the pen name Boz for some reason, and Stephen King used multiple pen names, especially early in his career.
Uh, Boz was the illustrator for Dickens.
I was mistaken. Thank you for your correction.
And still affects no one. People bitching about stuff that has literally nothing to do with them, worrying about everyone else’s genitals.
The name is never the problem, it’s that the person with the name exists that people get so butt hurt about
Actors and actresses have to register their name with a guild and sometimes change it because it is too close to another previous actor’s name or they don’t want to show their nepo roots or whatever reason.
So to just skip that problem they make up a registered stage name. Not that it lends any more authenticity but rather there is a structural professional reason that they do that.
And I have no problem with people using any name as long as they don’t mock me for needing help spelling it.
i suspect its more of hiding thier nepotism.
the vast majority of actors probably earn less than four figures a year.
pretty much, they are willing to do it
JD Vance isn’t a real name, and that’s cool. Apparently.
Ted Cruz is, afaik, not using a pseudonym, but he is a literal Oogie Boogie (see; a writhing mass of bugs wrapped in a pseudo-skin) and nobody seems to have a problem with that either
Edit: I scrolled down and am now aware the Ted is not his name. Shoulda known an boogie boogie would use a pseudonym. SMH my whole head rn
Rafael Edward Cruz, you mean?
Is that the Canadian born guy?
Hey, you leave us out of it. You touched him last; he’s yours now.
Not to defend Ted Cruz, but I have a friend named Ted, short for Edward. It’s not unheard of.
Ted Kennedy as well
Shake my head, or so much hate?
I recently learned a new definition for SMH and now I don’t know if I’m reading it correctly
Shake my head lol. Haven’t seen it used that way before
JD Vance sounds like one of those kids that jumps out of tall grass to challenge you to a Pokémon battle.
His name is James Donald Bowman, and I will deadname him every chance I get.
I feel silly now for not realizing that was a stage name.
I straight up thought her actual name was “Whoopi”.
About every actor or actress you’ve ever heard of is using a stage name. I forget the rules, but the name has to be unique, never used before. Acting guild thing? I forget.
this dint start until conservatives,right wing groups started pushing the anti-trans narrative. which was pretty recent, like within 5-10years. nobody gave a poop about it til trumps 1st term. Now everyone is either afraid, or freaks out over names that should be ONE sex or the other, or gendered, plus this also applies to characther names in movies and shows. there was one trek show that made it forced and wierd, like that is making statement.
It is pretty arbitrary which names we consider masculine and which names we consider feminine. On Big Brother Canada, there was a man named Hope. A man named Ashley works as a writer for Marvel Studios.
And we cannot forget one of the best comedy actors of all time, Leslie Neilson
Who also has astonishing range, too. He was a serious actor before Airplane. Since halloween is coming up, watch the 1982 movie Creepshow. There was a short with him in it (it is an anthology) and he very convincingly plays a murderous wealthy Creep.
Ashley used to primarily be a mans name
Ash from Evil Dead is a certified badass.
My wife knows my celebrity man crush is Bruce Campbell
All businesses choose a fake name to suit their identity. All business managers choose job titles to suit their identity.
Those who have a problem with transgender people are arrogant egotistical full-of-themselves narcicists who see others as lower class animals that exist only to be managed.
Damn, never thought about the fake ass job titles lol. I don’t even care what mine is. Good point. It’s all made up bullshit like country borders, people killing each other stepping over an invisible line.
What about people who have a problem with society moving quicker than science or medicine allows?
What is it about the trans community and talking in absolutes so often? I would think that trans people would be a more skeptical bunch but they are the ones banning people for asking clarifying questions on platforms like lemmy.
What do you mean by society moving quicker than science? Transgender people have existed before most scientific advancements. They existed in ancient Greece, they exist in Norse Mythology… They were persecuted in several government systems in the past such as Germany, they have always been here. It’s just that social media and the Internet brings more information to people than ever before. So instead of never having met a trans person in your life more people are being introduced to them than ever before. Which also means some people who may have never understood what was going on with themselves and why they felt so different than the boxes society around them was placing them into. I know I’m a guy, I was born one and have always been one. If you look at Women’s athletics, say the Olympics you will see many women that have naturally occuring high levels of testosterone that may be higher than your average male. You will also find men who have extremely low testosterone. So scientifically I see it as a blend that the hormones in our bodies have naturally created showing that what we define as man, and woman doesn’t encompass everything. Only when we try to put someone in a group do we start to think that there is something abnormal about a person having higher or lower testosterone. Then you can get into the facet of sexual parts. 1.7/100 people are born with intersexual traits. If we say a person has to be a man or a woman, then there is a 1.7% chance a person doesn’t fit into either box at birth. I see no reason that person shouldnt be able to live a happy life, not be treated the same as everyone else around them.
I’m not a trans person, I am not well educated on all of it because it isn’t something I had to educate myself on. But using that number there, scientifically there were 5.78 million people in the U.S. that were born outside the box of Man or Woman. To put that into perspective, 28 of the 50 states have less people in them, than the number of people born with intersex traits.
So when someone downplays them and acts like they shouldn’t exist, maybe it’s easier to look at it as saying all of a U.S. state shouldn’t exist simply because they were born there.
Note: most of this was focused on intersex, not gender… but I think it helps open the mind to understanding the world isn’t as man/woman as we often think of it.
I’m talking about whether we are actually helping trans people with science and medicine or not. We have moved too quickly and assumed too much and caused problems before. I know trans people exist, I dont know why everyone’s convinced the science is settled on how to make them happy and healthy though.
Try and bring up any negative side effects or analyze the risks of a procedure and trans people online take that as an attack against their whole community. I dont think trans people realize they are offending people who want to help them.
If you know anyone who is anti trans but goes by a nickname, start calling them by their given name. Doug, you’re Douglas. Alex, you’re Alexander or Alexis or whatever. Bill: William. Ted: Rafael (might only apply to one Senator).
…and if they go by their full name, Robert, add some extra on,Roberts, or take some off, Ro. Mispronounce their name badly, Lobert. Say their name in another language that they don’t like, Roberto.
It’s not cool to fuck with people’s names. You should be called what you want to be called. Unless they won’t stop doing it to other people in bad taste. Then fuck them, at least until they finally get it.
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Not really.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
They just don’t like people transitioning.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
Nobody is mad at Ted for changing his name. Folks are mad at him for pulling the rope up now that his family is here “legally”, then trying to white wash his identity so you don’t question him on it.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
It absolutely is. And it used to be a lot worse. Took a lot of people coming out at risk of their lives and livelihoods before we reached even this level of support for transgender civil rights.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
It’s not?
Of course not…
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-06/lgbtq-trans-people-american-support-poll
I think you might be confusing our political system for a democratic one…
A minority of the populace voted for what’s happening these days. The majority of people just don’t give a shit, they’re fine with people living how they want.
It’s an important distinction, because the bigots always want the targeted minority to view all of the majority as an enemy.
If battle lines are just “bigots” vs “non bigots” then the bigots lose every fucking time. That’s why they always try to make it “majority” vs “minority”, dont let them do that. And definitely don’t help them do that with posts like OPs and comments like yours
Don’t get outsmarted by stupid fucking bigots. A lot depends on it now.
You seem to be mistaking “majority” and “common”.
OP literally said “everyone”…
You guys ever get the impression nearly everyone on internet message boards is autistic?
And I don’t mean that in a mean way, I mean that literally.
I’ve worked with very low functioning populations before and this shit really tries my patience more than my clients did back in the day…
But yeah man, it’s a spectrum. And when you strip out all the facial/tonal cues and general body language…
Yeah, everyone is going to act like the people who can’t pick up on that stuff. Because none of us can pick up on it on message boards.
Hell, think about the “/s” and how people would react if the majority insisted everyone literally say “I’m done being sarcastic now”.
Obviously you’re going to see parallels in communication issues.
They said “everyone” accepts actors making a fake name, not specifically that everyone is transphobic.
Also, your study there ain’t doing that much to show its not common, as self-report/Social Desirability bias will skew that data but also saying they can live their life how they want doesn’t mean you’re not also transphobic… even ignoring that, at minimum 31% are? To say that isn’t common means you have to interact with fewer than 3 people daily, and that neither of those 2 happen to be transphobic. Sure if you stay at home and the only two people you see every day are the same two who have accepted you, congrats! Transphobia is cured! Otherwise… Yeah 1/3 people means it is EXTREMELY common. Like, to put it in perspective, Asians are like 6% of the population. Yet I wouldn’t exactly call seeing an Asian person “rare”.
Yet I wouldn’t exactly call seeing an Asian person “rare”.
You didn’t need to tell me that you also didn’t know the definition of the word “minority”…
But you did
I… what? Fine since you can’t read anything with numbers less than 50% let me put it to you this way so MAYBE you understand.
Let’s assume you interact with 50 people a day(pretty low I interact with about 200 daily but I’m not gonna assume that’s normal), and let’s say 10 of those are probably friends family so we’ll ignore them. The probability of none of the other 40 being transphobic using your 31% would be (1-.31)^40=0.999999641 which is literally close enough to 100% to be considered a rounding error. Is that common enough for you?
I used Asian people as an example because it was a simple way to construe how low percents still are not rare because how many people we see daily. Using the same calculation there’d be a 91.5838% chance at least one person you see is Asian.
You don’t need everybody to be transphobic for transphobia to be a big problem, and OP certainly didn’t explicitly say that “everybody” is transphobic.
Thirty-one percent of U.S. adults disapprove of transgender and nonbinary adults living their lives as they wish
That sure doesn’t sound like a niche thing
So…
You think 31% is “everyone” like OP said?
Because if you disagree with both of us, it makes no fucking sense to criticize me and not the person who was off by 59%…
I didn’t say everyone had a problem with transgender people, I said everyone was fine with celebrities making up fake names
Often they have to due to SAG rules. Only one person can have a name while being part of the union.
Like Emma Stone. Her real name is Emily Stone, but there was already one working with SAG, so she had to change it. She even prefers Emily.
“Everyone” had nothing to do with my reply. You were saying that transphobia was not common. I quoted the relevant statistic from the survey you linked that implied otherwise.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/645704/slim-majority-adults-say-changing-gender-morally-wrong.aspx
Accepting that people can live as they wish is not the same thing as transphobia not being a common view.
I have an issue with Raphael Cruz making up a white name.
