All countries led by Communist parties have been Socialist, as Communism is a global system of a fully publicly owned economy. Socialism is when public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, while Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-Socialist, global system of full public ownership, ie all “Communist” countries have considered themselves Socialist and building towards Communism.
Had the Socialist economy not been dissolved, growth would have surpassed what it is today in the post-Soviet countries. I’m not going to pretend that the economy was perfect, or that Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin’s reforms weren’t harmful for the economy or that the immense destruction and genocide inflicted by the Nazis on the Soviet people’s did no harm to the economy either, but Capitalism didn’t “fix” anything. It allowed foreign Capitalists to freely plunder and loot what was a working system with its own struggles.
Had the USSR implemented reforms to its economy such as those done in the PRC, maintaining Socialism but allowing a more open economy for engagement with the world economy, the best of all worlds may have been achieved. None of the immense pain or misery Capitalism brought, while coupled with the growth Gorbachev sought to achieve through liberalization efforts.
Fair enough, my wording implied the reforms of Deng Xiaoping were painless and not without their drawbacks. Certainly, some pain and misery would have come, but not nearly to the extent that the dissolution of the Soviet system entirely has wrought upon Eastern Europe and its connected trading partners in Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, the DPRK, etc.
Social Democracy is not Socialism, Social Democracy has Private Ownership as the principle aspect of its economy. Further, Social Democrats are not Communists to begin with, even if they did have a Socialist economy, that doesn’t mean they will always try to move towards Communism.
Communism is when my uncle was killed for dissent. You want social democracy, not communism
The fact that this has 600+ upvotes is… major fucked up.
EDIT: the image is tagged “@proudSocialist”. Any “proud socialist” would know that socialism and communism are not the same… Wow…
EDIT 2: If this gets more downvotes than upvotes I will gladly leave Lemmy. Have at it. :)
Please do, you’ll be happier on reddit anyway
Bizarre assumption that I’d be going to Reddit, as if Reddit and Lemmy are the entire internet.
It seemed like it would suit you.
Dictatorship killed your uncle not communism
Every socialist/communist knows socialism is early stage communism.
We do not want social democracy, we want communism
All countries led by Communist parties have been Socialist, as Communism is a global system of a fully publicly owned economy. Socialism is when public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, while Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-Socialist, global system of full public ownership, ie all “Communist” countries have considered themselves Socialist and building towards Communism.
Romania has had social-democrats in charge for a long while now. I can assure you it is not “building towards communism”
Socialism may be a transitional phase into communism, yes. But social-democrats are not communists.
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63% of Romanias believe they are worse off than under Communism. Unsurprising, given that the dissolution of the Socialist system resulted in extreme increases in poverty, homelessness, prostitution, drug abuse, and 7 million excess deaths.
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Had the Socialist economy not been dissolved, growth would have surpassed what it is today in the post-Soviet countries. I’m not going to pretend that the economy was perfect, or that Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin’s reforms weren’t harmful for the economy or that the immense destruction and genocide inflicted by the Nazis on the Soviet people’s did no harm to the economy either, but Capitalism didn’t “fix” anything. It allowed foreign Capitalists to freely plunder and loot what was a working system with its own struggles.
Had the USSR implemented reforms to its economy such as those done in the PRC, maintaining Socialism but allowing a more open economy for engagement with the world economy, the best of all worlds may have been achieved. None of the immense pain or misery Capitalism brought, while coupled with the growth Gorbachev sought to achieve through liberalization efforts.
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Fair enough, my wording implied the reforms of Deng Xiaoping were painless and not without their drawbacks. Certainly, some pain and misery would have come, but not nearly to the extent that the dissolution of the Soviet system entirely has wrought upon Eastern Europe and its connected trading partners in Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, the DPRK, etc.
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Social Democracy is not Socialism, Social Democracy has Private Ownership as the principle aspect of its economy. Further, Social Democrats are not Communists to begin with, even if they did have a Socialist economy, that doesn’t mean they will always try to move towards Communism.