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Communism is when my uncle was killed for dissent. You want social democracy, not communism
The fact that this has 600+ upvotes is… major fucked up.
EDIT: the image is tagged “@proudSocialist”. Any “proud socialist” would know that socialism and communism are not the same… Wow…
EDIT 2: If this gets more downvotes than upvotes I will gladly leave Lemmy. Have at it. :)
Dictatorship killed your uncle not communism
All countries led by Communist parties have been Socialist, as Communism is a global system of a fully publicly owned economy. Socialism is when public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, while Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-Socialist, global system of full public ownership, ie all “Communist” countries have considered themselves Socialist and building towards Communism.
Romania has had social-democrats in charge for a long while now. I can assure you it is not “building towards communism”
Socialism may be a transitional phase into communism, yes. But social-democrats are not communists.
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63% of Romanias believe they are worse off than under Communism. Unsurprising, given that the dissolution of the Socialist system resulted in extreme increases in poverty, homelessness, prostitution, drug abuse, and 7 million excess deaths.
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Had the Socialist economy not been dissolved, growth would have surpassed what it is today in the post-Soviet countries. I’m not going to pretend that the economy was perfect, or that Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin’s reforms weren’t harmful for the economy or that the immense destruction and genocide inflicted by the Nazis on the Soviet people’s did no harm to the economy either, but Capitalism didn’t “fix” anything. It allowed foreign Capitalists to freely plunder and loot what was a working system with its own struggles.
Had the USSR implemented reforms to its economy such as those done in the PRC, maintaining Socialism but allowing a more open economy for engagement with the world economy, the best of all worlds may have been achieved. None of the immense pain or misery Capitalism brought, while coupled with the growth Gorbachev sought to achieve through liberalization efforts.
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Social Democracy is not Socialism, Social Democracy has Private Ownership as the principle aspect of its economy. Further, Social Democrats are not Communists to begin with, even if they did have a Socialist economy, that doesn’t mean they will always try to move towards Communism.
: If this gets more downvotes than upvotes I will gladly leave Lemmy. Have at it. :)
Please do, you’ll be happier on reddit anyway
Bizarre assumption that I’d be going to Reddit, as if Reddit and Lemmy are the entire internet.
It seemed like it would suit you.
Every socialist/communist knows socialism is early stage communism.
We do not want social democracy, we want communism
Communism is when you get executed for having a different opinion than the great leader.
Communism is an economic concept not political. Technically it is possible to have a democratic communist country
Marx literally calls for a genocide in his manifesto. It might not be political in your view, but communism is inherently a genocide.
You can read the full manifesto here https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf But let’s go through it step by step.
- Marx divides all people into classes and then declares that people in a specific class are better than people in other classes. This is covered in his first part called “Bourgeois and Proletarians”. Direct quote:
the proletariat is its special and essential product
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The second part establishes that there are even better representatives of “good people” called “Communists”. This whole section is dedicated to dehumanising everyone else and showing that Communists are the superior people to everyone else.
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He then openly calls for violence multiple times finishing with:
their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
You can replace “Communists” with “Arians” and “Bourgeoisie” with “Jews” and you’ll get Hitler’s manifest. Same shit.
0·6 months agoEven if this is true (it is not, 1 and 2 are just wrong), it does not show him calling for a genocide.
And your last line is incredibly stupid, “but what if he had written jews”, see just like Hitler. “But what if water was fire”, “but what if up was down”.
He didn’t. Bourgeoisie != Jew. If you replaced all instances of “Bourgeoisie” with “Jew” it would not make sense, as Marx is talking about classes, and their relation to the MOP not jews and arians or whatever.Wow, the delusion…
Are you American? You’re the third person that has had a very hard time reading, I have heard the american education system is really subpar.
Communism does the same but brainwashes you into believing everyone gets their fair share and there’s no loss of wealth for ordinary working people.
Historically that’s not true.
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“Brainwashing” as a concept does not exist. People license themselves to accept whatever they think is useful to them. See “Brainwashing” and Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing.”
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Historically, living standards in Socialist countries governed by Communist parties most dramatically improved for the working class, and in a manner quantitatively different from Capitalist production. See the USSR, as an example:
Or see the PRC’s eradication of poverty and increase in income by generation, compared to the US:
Found the Commie academic, guys!
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Pure versions of each have their flaws. Mixed-economics yields the highest quality of life according to the top ranking nations on the World Happiness Report. Nordic nations have the blueprint. We just need to adopt it.
The fact that this still got 14 downvotes. Wow…
Edit: Also these BrainInABox and Cowbee communist apologists are really begging for a block or even a ban. Absolutely despicable. Might they be bots or trolls of somekind? They seem to have an awful lot of time on their hands.
Just a bit of background, given that you’re on a 12 day old account, Lemmy in general has a lot of Communists of various types, for a number of reasons:
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The lead developers are all Communists
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Lemmy is an anti-capitalist response to Reddit in design, it’s an attempt to cover for the failings of Reddit resulting from its profit-driven nature
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Choosing Lemmy over Reddit requires some degree of ideological conviction, as Reddit is far more popular to begin with.
As for myself, I’m not a troll. I am a Communist, specifically a Marxist-Leninist, I even made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list. Further, this community in particular, c/LateStageCapitalism, is run by Communists and the express purpose is to critique Capitalism from the Left, I’m not breaking any rules by following the purpose of the Comm.
Hope that helps!
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You are in a fucking communist space. It will be you getting the ban
There are a few problems here.
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All economies are “mixed,” ergo it isn’t a meaningful distinction. What is more useful is recognizing which aspect of the economy is the principle, ie which has the real dominant power, over large firms and key industries. Socialism is when the public sector is the principle aspect, Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect. That’s why the PRC is Socialist, and the Nordic countries are Capitalist.
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Judging which system is correct purely by looking to which countries have the highest happiness scores is myopic. We could use the same logic to say that Jeff Bezos has the most comfortable life, so we should all copy him. The problem is that we can’t. The Nordics fund their safety nets through Imperialism, ie super-exploiting the Global South, and because Private Ownership has domination over the state, worker protections and safety nets have been gradually sliding.
This is why having a good knowledge of theory and taking everything within a large context, rather than with harsh boundaries, is important to draw correct conclusions.
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Nordic nations is still exploitive capitalism.
Ah yes, Kirbo, the only creature that wouldn’t die of hunger on a collectivist paradise because he is:
-Inmortal
-Able to basically eat anything, even nothingness
This humor is like food in Soviet Russia. Not everybody gets it
According to the US, Soviets in the USSR had a better, more nutritious diet than that of Americans.
