Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?

I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.

All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.

Your last point is of critical importance. The populace as a whole is outgunned. Psuedo-militarized police forces and “law enforcement” organizations have us outgunned. Nobody’s going out shooing unless they have nothing to lose. And right now, just about everyone still has something to lose. The goal is to keep the population comfortable enough not to riot on the streets.

There’s a reason they’re targeting the peaceful working class brown people who have families and still have hope that somehow the system will work and they’ll be returned to their family. Notice how they’re not rolling into the ghettos and trying to clean up the latino gangs where immigrants are definitely hiding. These ICE agents are cowards and bullies who pick on the weak to make themselves feel better.

They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight especially if there was a come-to-Jesus option. Theres just no disincentive and all the incentive in the workd to be a total fucker. US’ biggest problem

✅YOUR DOWNVOTE IN LIEU OF VIABLE ARGUMENT BETRAYS YOUR DISINGENUOUSNESS

why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants (only the illegals are punished and sanctioned/deported; its almost like there’s no actual disincentive for shady employers to not base their antisocial business models around that…) and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally or ilegally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies domestically?

The irrelevant argument that a business cannot exist at cost of employing regular citizens is not an argument for why they should exist at all and be allowed to throw up their hands and outsource like that. They are consuming and benefitting from domestic services and infrastructure, why the hell should they be able to shield themselves from taxes, underpay and exploit workers, and get paid for the pleasure and often not even need to reinvest back into the actual society they could only every exist as a product of?

How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the actual market price and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work so they can get government slaves at a fraction of the price who they can deport if the employees complain about human or labor rights violations?

How would that not set a lower and lower standard for workers everywhere in general when their employers are empowered by the government to use that a bargaining wedge and keep them in line from otherwise demanding more or even basally reasonable standards when the owner buddies with a legislatoe can simply stroll in and fire everyone with the assurance they can legally employ their slave replacements and pocket all the difference to personally benefit and cover the minimal costs of next lobbying cycle along with other businesses who have an incentivr to conspire on joint efforts like this?

Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this excess value they contingently generate is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the party in power of government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.

Its a scam thru and thru but I’d love for you to point me objectively to how the businesses and government dont gain from this at the cost of the citizenry on the balance

The worst part is it works and it incentivizes businesses to pay the bribes and lobbying fees to keep the money train running and continually devaluing labor as time goes on. Nobody but strong unions can compete with that and the abillity of workers to reliably turn to that outlet or create it is severely legislated against and disincentivized culturally and in practical terms for actual sustainance workers

Edit: like, yes, in theory that would lead to lower prices for consumers if the labor to produce and bring the product to the consumers table is lower but who knows that information besides the companies and their shady practices? Whats stopping them from simply pocketing that differential and just using it to improve their profit margins? Why do you trust corps to the point you can be confident that we actually so rely on slave labor to have the goods and services we need when theres basically no accountabillity to the companies incentivized to increase their own margins at the expense of consumers and society.