This is some activism I can get behind.
The red paint visually goes so hard and really gets the message across.
NYT is the original genocide deniers… They did in 1933 and they are doing it again 90 years later. Some things don’t change
NYT GAZA
LIES DIES
DONT DEAD OPEN INSIDE
Wrong one, it’s a NO SAFETY SMOKING FIRST:
Hmmm…yes. very wise.
Aight criticizing NYT staff for having “ties to Israel” is coming awfully close to just saying “NYT has too many Jews”. You do know that service in the IDF is mandatory for all Israelis right? Having a lot of Jewish staff didn’t stop them from bringing down Weinstein. Leftists hate identity politics except for this one particular instance.
Also, literally the NYT headline right now: Anger Over Starvation in Gaza Leaves Israel Increasingly Isolated
“Global outrage at the Netanyahu government’s actions has grown since the war began, and the suffering of children in the enclave has accelerated the disdain.”
Ask old Jewish man Bernie Sanders how race can be different from views/actions! It’s not a difficult concept…
But having family members who served in the IDF is a fair indicator of political views?
Frequency and tone matters. Like the BBC it might cover Palestine opinion partially (probably when there is back lash or denying it is hard even when governments that support Israel acknowledge it) but if it is turning a blind eye 90% of the time then it is denial:
“Having too many Jews” is problematic if you fired all the arabs.
You do know that service in the IDF is mandatory for all Israelis right?
I was just following orders didn’t work for the nazi’s. It shouldn’t work for Israeli’s.
Jew != Israeli. Conflating the two is antisemitic.
Right, but having Israeli relatives (as a large portion of the American Jewish population does) doesn’t make you an Israeli either, and it certainly doesn’t make you a Zionist as the article above claims. How would you feel if someone labeled you an Imperialist or Fascist just because you’re American?
How would you feel if someone labeled you an Imperialist or Fascist just because you’re American?
Not great. But would they be wrong more than 50% of the time? We did “elect” Mr. President for a 2nd time after all. And barely no one doubted the legitimacy of that election for more than a week. The fact he should’ve been disqualified? Apparently a non-sequitur.
So with around 50% of the voting population being MAGA idiots and the 33% non-voters their silent enablers, I’d take being called a fascist any day. It’s well deserved.
I would feel as if I had finally found a friend
Source?
Most American Jews moved here before the end of WW2, after the diaspora we lived all over Europe and elsewhere for centuries. Nearly half of all Jews live in America, and have for generations now - since before the state of Israel was created
We didn’t come here from Israel, we don’t have “family back home”. I really doubt most of us have ties to Israel at all
Couldn’t find any exact study, I guess it would depend on how you measure it, but everyone in this post says it’s very common.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/17z5q4s/is_it_common_for_jews_in_diaspora_to_have/
And yeah, very few Jewish people in America are from Israel but lots of people from the US moved there from after WW2.
lots of people from the US moved there from after WW2.
Colonists
Yeah… That’s just a small collection of anacdotal evidence, and my anacdotal evidence totally contradicts it
Look at the subreddit name. Why would you be in that subreddit? Probably because you’re invested in the religion side of our culture, which is totally optional. Or you’re into our history. These are things that make you more likely to visit Israel, a place full of historical, religious, and cultural artifacts
You seem more genuinely ignorant than anything darker, so let me take this opportunity to lay it out
Israel has a promise to all of us - we will protect our own next time someone does a genocide. Because the Holocaust wasn’t the first time we experienced ethnic cleansing… Were the ones who look like the people where we live, but are different. I like to say, “we’re always second”, because when they run out of gypsies or black people, the fascists will need a next enemy
Israel offers free trips to young adults. You fly over, see the sights, and get indoctrination against Palestinians. I tried to do this years back before I knew the details… But there’s another natural requirement. You have to be an active part of a group that focuses on Jewish heritage - I showed up a few times, applied, but I’m an American first and foremost. You need to be an active member of a Jewish identity group to even get in… And this is my heritage, not all I am. So I was filtered, like most of us are
The Palestine issue was uncomfortable for a long time…I mean, it’s was definitely uncomfortable, but it was a guaranteed safe harbor. I think this is how most of us felt… Conflicted
But then October 7th happened, and the response made it clear what this was. We had to confront what this was, and most of us are very upset about it, because our history is being on the other side of it
And now, they’re coming for the Latinos. I know how this story ends, and I don’t want to be deported to Israel. I know it sounds crazy now, but it’s not. We’re 2 years away from “putting the Jews back where they belong”
We are not Israeli. Those people are fucking crazy, don’t put me in the same breath as them. Don’t apologize for the IDF. Don’t launder what is happening.
Make the difference clear in your mind and in your words.
No one is reading that
i would shut the fuck up and do something to stop the genocide and stop letting Israel use me as a justification for genocide
You are too close but too far.
Do you know how many mass resignations have occurred at the NYT, since the invention of the terrorist state of Israel, because of their blatant misrepresentation —and often complete cover-ups— of massacres and crimes against humanity perpetrated by it?
As a tool for manufacturing consent, the NYT is second to none
Don’t dead. Open inside.
I mean, literally not? The meme about Don’t Dead Open Inside was that the words went top to bottom then left to right. This is the opposite. It reads left to right, top to bottom.
Hmmm…no. Not very wise.
Pigs eat & dish out the bullshit. Sad. Genocide. Hush hush war. People lack care.
Fun stuff.
Why is it easier for Americans, even the left, to police the world instead of fixing their own damn country. It’s a dumpster fire but Americans just wanna fix the issues of other countries instead. Not surprised really after what they did to my country and people
Israel is bombing Gaza with American bombs dropped from American Jets using American surveillance.
Israel is blowing up houses with American anti-tank mines and bulldozing others with American bulldozers.
Israel is protected from UN security council decisions thanks to American vetos.
Israel is financed significantly by rich Americans and encourages Americans to help in ethnic cleansing and land stealing in Palestine, with about a third of the settlers in the Westbank being American citizens.
Israeli lobby groups are telling American politicans what to do and what not to do, being a tolerated form of direct foreign influence and Israeli intelligence is likely involved in American elites raping American children around Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, to blackmail said elites to do the bidding of Israel.
…
Well Gaza is directly Americas fault and problem to fix so it’s a bit different than just butting into random countries and fucking things up
Why did they choose pigs to caricature zionists?
There’s a few non-antisemitic takes. First off, it’s a depiction of NYT specifically. We should not immediately conflate this with Zionists in general.
First is ‘capitalist pigs’. Israel as a project might be Zion to Zionists, but to organizations it’s a way to grab property and develop more speculative goods.
The other can be from the perspective of NYT as a news org ‘pumping out cartloads of shit’.
A final one I can think of is the pigs from Orwell’s Animal Farm. The pigs in it used manipulative rhetoric to get the other animals to both obey them and included standing by as their friends were executed for ‘the greater good’. At the End of the book, the pigs are no different than the humans the farm animals drove out to secure their freedom, dressing in human clothes, walking on two legs, living in the farmer’s house, and making deals with the farmers. It was a critique by Orwell of communist movements being hijacked to only benefit their vangaurds rather than the prolateriat as a whole, but I can see how the metaphor can fit for a news org siding with Zionists instead of writing truthfully about the Gaza genocide.
Why is germany still sending weapons to genociders?
Don‘t know, didn‘t vote for that government.
Ah but the government you did vote for do exactly as you want, don’t it?
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What? The politicians I voted for are not part of the government, they are in opposition.
Tell me one party in the German parliament right now that even calls what’s happening in Gaza what it is - a genocide.
Part of Die Linke does. Party itself calls for a stop of weapon deliveries and the recognition of the Palestinian state.
And at the same time die „Linke“ calls for stopping support of Ukraine which is the only way to stop the russian genocide at least in this part of the world.
Because even jews should be digusted with zionists.
Many are.
You seem more upset with a fictional possibility of an antisemitic symbol than with the actual genocide that’s currently being perpetrated by the Zionists
It’s not a fictional possibility. And I can be upset about more things than one.
capitalist pigs
And here I thought they used it because it’s tradition to portray Jews as pigs for European anti-semites for centuries now.
it’s more common to portray jews as rats. like i get where you’re coming from, but i think they picked what they picked to avoid the antisemitic dog whistle. that’s just my read though as a dude with curly hair, a big nose, and sensitivity to “is this person hating me for my jewish ancestry”
A whole range of animals have been used for that (also, the kraken), but pigs left a nasty taste for me because a very common insult for Jews by German fascists has been (and still is) “jew sod” (“Judensau”).
for sure. that’s like… kind of a genuine challenge with looking for and understanding antisemitism is that how it presents itself changes through the eras. but in our current age, i think people are more likely to associate pigs with capitalism and anti-jewishness than with jews. like. i think it’s important and good that we’re having these conversations so we can understand the current status of anti semitism especially as israeli backed organizations water down these things by applying the term antisemitism to too many things.
and as you say, there’s a major aspect of regionality. antisemitism looks different depending on the place
this stops the famine in Gaza and Palestinian babies getting decapitated by Israeli bombs how?
You know, you can have more than one discussion at once and anti-semitism is still a thing despite Israel’s war on Palestine, and unfortunately, these two topics intersect at certain points.
- It’s not a war.
- Some nationality should really shut up given the fact their country are making bank out of the genocide
lemmy lacks all sense of nuance
Actual delusional vandalism. The sole reason this movement is frowned upon so much
Vandalism > genocide to you, huh?
Actually the reason is government repression and concerted media efforts. People have been protesting peacefully for decades to demand human and international rights to be upheld for the Palestinian people. People have been seeking nonviolent means such as boycott and divestment, only to be met with campaigns accusing that of being “antisemitic”.
You do not attack media outlets. That’s it. Don’t defend it.
Lol, no, “the movement” is frowned upon by some because they want to finish up their genocide in peace.
America will soon be the only country in the security council not to recognize Palestine. This is America’s genocide, not only Israel’s. So of course some folks in America will be a bit touchy about people criticizing it.
Some red paint on a building is pretty mild compared to, I don’t know, genocide? Whoever is more upset by this than by every single truck refused entry to or bomb dropped in Gaza needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
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You can pretend NYT has no influence on popular opinion and therefore politics, and ignore their misrepresentation of the genocide if you wish, but that doesn’t cause your argument to magically become valid.
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You are white washing NYT white washing the genocide
Cute
I like how this bot or user call it a conflict.
Not a bot, thanks tho. I DO think Israel is committing genocide by the way, but that’s a loaded term that not everyone agrees with, and anyways it only covers part of the conflict as a whole, which also includes an awful lot of Israeli civillians being killed. Sorry if that’s too much nuance for you guys.
No this is called a real protest. Protests that are quiet and don’t bother anyone happen every day - and are ignored every day.
Here we are, talking about this one, like the rest of the nation.
“oh no those poor buildings” okay but you think child murder is fine lmao
Not just the children, but the women and men, too
But mostly children though. Can’t have them grow up to be terrorists!
And shooting kids jn the head on purpose… my breath hitches every time the thought crosses my mind.
Never said that, never implied that. Simply stating that two wrongs dont make it right.
Should be common sense
The wrong of genocide far outweighs the “wrong” of some minor vandalism. It’s justified when peaceful protests already happened and it still continues.
Frankly it’s sick that you put these 2 things next to each other as if they are equal.
Absolute morality is not common sense, it’s fucking stupid.
You should do some reading. Start here.
I disagree with him?
Lmao. MLK isn’t a Messiah. He also got things wrong. Such as this.
Edit: I thought MLK advocated for vandalism given this context. I was wrong. He did not, actually. Which only proves why vandalism isnt activism
Ah yes. Thanks to your enlightened and superior views on political activism you’ve surely achieved enlightened and superior results to MLK…
No? Just defending genocide and attacking those who oppose it?
Weird…
You can use the same logic by far right racists back in MLK day:
“Thanks to your enlightened and superior views on political activism you’ve surely achieved enlightened and superior results to Jesus, right MLK?”
And that argument is just as retarded back in that day.
Lastly, talking about ‘weird’. I find it odd that you put words in my mouth. Never have I stated that I defend said genocide, nor do I attack them? I simply state a fairly common opinion: dont destroy things.
yeah, yeah, genocide is terrible and all but won’t someone please think of the minor property damage! This doesn’t help your cause.
signed, someone who can barely be bothered to give a shit about the cause.
Is this you?
I don’t think that comparison is in good faith. That being said Jesus and MLK DID achieve results, which proves their views on activism are both effective.
You argue your views on activism are valid, and even superior to MLK’s views and yet you have nothing to show for it. Your unqualified armchair quarterback opinions aren’t worth the storage space they use up.
The activists are fighting for something they believe in, they’re doing it in a way that’s effective enough that you’re here commenting about it. I’m not going to sit here and criticize their efforts while doing nothing. That’s just supporting the status quo which, in case you haven’t noticed, is genocide.
Hmmmm…no. Not very wise.
A small price that nyp must pay for being a voice for genocide. Nobody was hurt
if this is delusion then I don’t wanna be sane. if opposing genocide means I’m insane then I don’t wanna live in your reality.
may your blood-soaked hands eternally haunt you as you wake up from your nightmares every day and you can’t tell the difference between dream and your “civilized” reality
Opposing genocide you can rightly do, I share that sentiment.
And never have I defended the genocide in Gaza.
Christ.
Is it really. REALLY that difficult to think: “Oh, genocide is bad. But we also shouldn’t use vandalism”
we also shouldn’t use vandalism
Why?
WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE PROPERTY
Well then what the fuck should we use? Violence?
Your voices? Your money? Your attention?
Please consider those before you start going apeshit, thanks.
My suggestion since early 2024 has been to birthstrike: no more births in the U.S. and other complicit western nations until the children of Gaza are safe and Israel has been held accountable for their heinous acts.
This is especially relevant because younger people are the ones who are: most angry about this, the most politically disenfranchised, most applicable to a birthstrike due to biology.
People shit on me and my 100% legal, non-violent / non-destructive recommendation. To the point where I’ve had posts and comments removed and even faced bans. So I’ve simply stopped recommending it.
Lmay maybe we can sing them a song and send flowers /s
BDS exists for a decade and they’re murdering people harder than ever. Honestly, recommending useless solution to a genocide is being complicit at this point
This isn’t apeshit… Apeshit is wanton destruction. This is a calculated protest using red paint and thought-out messaging.
Also, why do we care about defacing a building when the same action has meaningfully called attention to complicit US media? NYC is cleanable; dead children in Gaza are non-recoverable.
The pearl-clutching over some relatively minor vandalism in response to the mass murder of tens of thousands of civilians is really out of touch.
Since people seem so fucking concerned about property damage, maybe we need to start discussing the “vandalism” of all the homes and other buildings in Gaza. Actually, I’m not even sure I would be comfortable doing that ironically as it would feel very disrespectful to the human victims.
We’ve been doing that for literally a generation now.
says who? Israel? you’re a collaborationist spreading Zionist propaganda for free
How is it “delusional”?
I can’t imagine seeing people protesting genocide and calling it a “movement.”
WWII certainly had big “movement” energy in that case, but it was mostly millions of troops moving on a nation that was also committing genocide, it was just bigger and more aggressive at that point
there are zero troops moving on Israel
If fucking only.
