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  • Avicenna@lemmy.worldtoProgrammer Humor@programming.dev•Child labour with 10 years of experience, 'AI-native' accepting 250k lines of Cursor code
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    10 minutes ago

    He is being presented as a person who is being tasked with writing entire code bases and the same job as a senior developer. Even if we give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he is being paid handsomely (which I doubt since we are all very well aware of the mentality of such people whose sole goal is to use AI coders to pay as less as possible, none if possible), the responsibilities involved in this is a full time job, not the part time job most high schoolers do during summer time. Even then it is not “common” for high schoolers to work unless you have never left US. In many places, there are some that do unfortunately do need to work due to economic reasons. But rarely outside of US it is presented as excellent work ethics and patriotism. It is more common for people in mid to late university years to start working as “interns” not full time developers. Also see:

    https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/children#%3A~%3Atext=The+Convention+on+the+Rights%2Can+earlier+age+of+majority.

    “The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a “child” as a person below the age of 18, unless the relevant laws recognize an earlier age of majority.”

    So if you are going to boast about a kid who is producing massive code bases, at least say something like “wow he is still not eighteen but look at what this kid is doing”, do not try to present that as the new norm. That is just pathetic greedy skill-less, spineless wanna-be intrapreneur behaviour.

  • Avicenna@lemmy.worldtoProgrammer Humor@programming.dev•Child labour with 10 years of experience, 'AI-native' accepting 250k lines of Cursor code
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    6 hours ago

    In principle it shouldn’t be very hard because premium versions of AI coding assistants keep regenerating the code until it compiles (without requiring anything after the initial prompt). After that it becomes a matter of checking whether the compiled code does what you want. If it does not you can tell it to fix those behaviours without knowing any/much coding at all. Though if you can’t point it to the location of the code that causes the problem, it becomes a tug of war. This is because they can’t really follow instructions like “keep the last change you made but do this” with %100 efficiency.

    We shouldn’t even begin to discuss stuff like good practices. If the person using the AI coding assistant isn’t experienced in the field and doing stuff like coding databases, then you are pretty much at the mercy of AI. It may superficially seem to know what are good security practices but again if the person at the helm doesn’t know them and or can’t check them in the code, it is pretty much up to chance. See for instance:

    https://www.veracode.com/blog/genai-code-security-report/

    I feel like there might be a sweet spot for AI coding assistants but it is definitely not asking it to write a complete app or a website with a db from scratch. They should really tune it so that it can do the time consuming boiler plate stuff so people can actually focus on development, testing, and problem solving. Instead they try to develop it and sell it as an almost completely autonomous coder which seems like a futile effort for the current state of LLMs.

    And precisely the approaches like “we don’t need old styled senior coders anymore we can get anyone to produce code for cheaper” is what might fuck us. There will be a gap in the transfer of good practices and experience from the older generation to the younger which AI won’t be able to fill. People will have to rediscover all of those again with probably quite a lot of pain for them and their users.

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