Does the Russian state apparatus attempt to utilize social media for its own interests? Absolutely. Is the impact of Russia in western, American-owned social media any more significant than American state apparatus impact or EU state apparatus impact? Absolutely no.
Is the impact of Russia in western, American-owned social media any more significant than American state apparatus
Right now, one could say that the Trump administration is an extension of their campaign. They’ve been deeply intertwined for decades, and it’s safe to say that they’re all compromised.
Why yes, I’m also saying that the US is a Russian asset. That’s precisely my point
Then you’re a conspiracy theorist without any material analysis of reality. The nation with a GDP smaller than Germany is supposed to be controlling the largest empire in the history of the world and hegemon for the past 80 years in your worldview. This is simply because american exceptionalism runs so deep in your mind that you can’t conceive the US abandoning a former ally (as it did countless times) without the interference of “le other evil country”.
What do you mean by no basis in reality? I’ve read books on this, listened to entire podcasts, and read the news regularly from various international publishers. I’ve even linked to some credible sources right in this thread. There’s extensive coverage on the tactics and history of Russian meddling in the US. And I’m not even American for crying out loud. Anyone who has been paying attention and doesn’t have a vested interest in covering for Russia based on ideology or a paycheck can see this clearly. But I can see why someone with your username would have a bone to pick with anyone criticizing Russia.
I didn’t say basis in reality, I specified “material” analysis. You may have consumed hours and hours of content regarding the topic, but if your view of history is based on “big people with big ideas control the world” and not on “the material forces of history and the class interests and conflicts determine the passage of history”, you will reach wrong conclusions like “USA is a Russian asset”.
The forces in control of the USA geopolitically are the interests of the class in power, i.e. capitalist owners. The forces in control of Russia geopolitically are the interests of the class in power, again capitalist owners. The capitalist owners in Russia are, due to the way capitalism appeared in Russia 35 years ago, majority distinct from capitalist owners in the USA: different companies, different people, different funding, and different interests.
If you believe that one Russian man has the capacity of controlling the entire geopolitical apparatus of the USA and therefore the decisions of all capital in the USA simply by bribing Donald Trump, then the analysis you’ve been consuming is overwhelmingly wrong.
The main threat to USA geopolitically is China. China is the industrial engine of the world, has 5 times the population, has been experiencing sustained fast growth for decades, and most importantly, it’s a communist country with a strong communist party with a capacity to direct its capitalists rather than backwards. China is threatening key sectors of the American economy in exports such as automobiles, medicine, aviation, robotics, military, semiconductors, by providing the same products for less money or outright better products, so USA loses its capacity to export these to the rest of the world and its capitalists suffer.
The USA cannot face China directly in a military war because Chinese military is far more extensive as well as its industry, and because of the existence of nuclear weapons. The USA cannot outcompete China economically, because its capitalists are not controlled by a communist party who can direct the companies with a plan instead of the profit imperative of shareholders.
The only option for the USA to maintain its exports is to artificially force other countries to keep consuming its exports even if they’re not competitive. By alienating Europe from Russia and sanctioning it, the USA hopes to rein in Europe and push it further away from China, which it’s successfully achieving. 5 years ago, there were serious proposals by French politicians to leave NATO (geopolitically controled by the USA). Today, no government in Europe rejects the 5% of GDP increase and the import of expensive American military goods, Russia is economically sanctioned, and Europe relies on American gas, making it vulnerable to US sanctions should the US decide to discipline the EU states.
Now, Ukraine has lost its purpose. The USA has already successfully achieved its aim of separating Russia (and partially so China) from Europe, and to make EU rely energetically on themselves. There is no longer any purpose for the continuation of the war in Ukraine from the point of view of the USA.
Geopolitics in the USA, furthermore, are historically consistently a bipartisan issue. Both Democrats and Republicans support the genocide in Palestine, supported the invasion of Iraq, supported the invasion of Afghanistan, supported the bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, supported the bombing of Vietnam, supported the bombing of Korea, supported fascism in Latin America and in Spain, etc. This is because, as explained, both parties answer to their true representation: USA capitalists. The fact that it is Trump who is pulling back from Ukraine is no more and no less coincidental than the fact that he pushed for “peace” in Palestine some months ago and achieved a peace agreement. Trump is a pawn, and none of the important USA geopolitical decisions are in his hand.
The Russian government and Russian people are two very different entities. Pulling the random Nazi card is just further proof you’re in the wrong here.
“Judeo-Bolshevism” isn’t the persecution of Jews. From Wikipedia:
“Jewish Bolshevism, also Judeo–Bolshevism, is an antisemitic and anti-communist conspiracy theory that claims that the Russian Revolution of 1917 was a Jewish plot and that Jews controlled the Soviet Union and international communist movements, often in furtherance of a plan to destroy Western civilization. It was one of the main Nazi beliefs that served as an ideological justification for the German invasion of the Soviet Union and the Holocaust”
Hmm, Russian elite plots are controlling the propaganda in all of the world (including Lemmy comments, social media, state media) and are so powerful that they can control even the USA. We should arm Europe “and prepare for invasion”!
Does the Russian state apparatus attempt to utilize social media for its own interests? Absolutely. Is the impact of Russia in western, American-owned social media any more significant than American state apparatus impact or EU state apparatus impact? Absolutely no.
Right now, one could say that the Trump administration is an extension of their campaign. They’ve been deeply intertwined for decades, and it’s safe to say that they’re all compromised.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/
Huh, funny, I thought it was the Democrat establishment funding the Trump Campaign as per Wikileaks.
That’s kind of a curious thing to bring up.
WikiLeaks is arguably another Russian asset, or at the very least a “very helpful stooge”.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/WikiLeaks#ref350540
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/mar/18/wikileaks-russias-useful-idiot-its-agent-influence/ (2019)
Not to mention that the Clintons are also probably compromised via the Epstein files.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79l38vl3lwo (2025)
Somehow, and whether one likes it or not, it all points back to Russia once again.
Oh, I see, everyone except the USA is a Russian asset. Wikileaks being a Russian asset, lmfao, most American thing I’ve ever heard.
You’re literally using “Russia” the same way Nazis used “Judeo-Bolshevism” almost exactly 100 years ago.
You know, you can deny reality all you want, but that doesn’t change what @Lemminary@lemmy.world said. The truth is the truth.
“The truth is the truth: the USA is a vassal to its much weaker geopolitical enemy Russia”.
No, but Wikileaks has most definetly been exploited by Russia
Why yes, I’m also saying that the US is a Russian asset. That’s precisely my point. They’re certainly using it to maneuver a win in Ukraine.
I don’t know what’s so hard to believe about any of this given its trajectory for the past decade. Lol
Then you’re a conspiracy theorist without any material analysis of reality. The nation with a GDP smaller than Germany is supposed to be controlling the largest empire in the history of the world and hegemon for the past 80 years in your worldview. This is simply because american exceptionalism runs so deep in your mind that you can’t conceive the US abandoning a former ally (as it did countless times) without the interference of “le other evil country”.
What do you mean by no basis in reality? I’ve read books on this, listened to entire podcasts, and read the news regularly from various international publishers. I’ve even linked to some credible sources right in this thread. There’s extensive coverage on the tactics and history of Russian meddling in the US. And I’m not even American for crying out loud. Anyone who has been paying attention and doesn’t have a vested interest in covering for Russia based on ideology or a paycheck can see this clearly. But I can see why someone with your username would have a bone to pick with anyone criticizing Russia.
I didn’t say basis in reality, I specified “material” analysis. You may have consumed hours and hours of content regarding the topic, but if your view of history is based on “big people with big ideas control the world” and not on “the material forces of history and the class interests and conflicts determine the passage of history”, you will reach wrong conclusions like “USA is a Russian asset”.
The forces in control of the USA geopolitically are the interests of the class in power, i.e. capitalist owners. The forces in control of Russia geopolitically are the interests of the class in power, again capitalist owners. The capitalist owners in Russia are, due to the way capitalism appeared in Russia 35 years ago, majority distinct from capitalist owners in the USA: different companies, different people, different funding, and different interests.
If you believe that one Russian man has the capacity of controlling the entire geopolitical apparatus of the USA and therefore the decisions of all capital in the USA simply by bribing Donald Trump, then the analysis you’ve been consuming is overwhelmingly wrong.
The main threat to USA geopolitically is China. China is the industrial engine of the world, has 5 times the population, has been experiencing sustained fast growth for decades, and most importantly, it’s a communist country with a strong communist party with a capacity to direct its capitalists rather than backwards. China is threatening key sectors of the American economy in exports such as automobiles, medicine, aviation, robotics, military, semiconductors, by providing the same products for less money or outright better products, so USA loses its capacity to export these to the rest of the world and its capitalists suffer.
The USA cannot face China directly in a military war because Chinese military is far more extensive as well as its industry, and because of the existence of nuclear weapons. The USA cannot outcompete China economically, because its capitalists are not controlled by a communist party who can direct the companies with a plan instead of the profit imperative of shareholders.
The only option for the USA to maintain its exports is to artificially force other countries to keep consuming its exports even if they’re not competitive. By alienating Europe from Russia and sanctioning it, the USA hopes to rein in Europe and push it further away from China, which it’s successfully achieving. 5 years ago, there were serious proposals by French politicians to leave NATO (geopolitically controled by the USA). Today, no government in Europe rejects the 5% of GDP increase and the import of expensive American military goods, Russia is economically sanctioned, and Europe relies on American gas, making it vulnerable to US sanctions should the US decide to discipline the EU states.
Now, Ukraine has lost its purpose. The USA has already successfully achieved its aim of separating Russia (and partially so China) from Europe, and to make EU rely energetically on themselves. There is no longer any purpose for the continuation of the war in Ukraine from the point of view of the USA.
Geopolitics in the USA, furthermore, are historically consistently a bipartisan issue. Both Democrats and Republicans support the genocide in Palestine, supported the invasion of Iraq, supported the invasion of Afghanistan, supported the bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, supported the bombing of Vietnam, supported the bombing of Korea, supported fascism in Latin America and in Spain, etc. This is because, as explained, both parties answer to their true representation: USA capitalists. The fact that it is Trump who is pulling back from Ukraine is no more and no less coincidental than the fact that he pushed for “peace” in Palestine some months ago and achieved a peace agreement. Trump is a pawn, and none of the important USA geopolitical decisions are in his hand.
The Russian government and Russian people are two very different entities. Pulling the random Nazi card is just further proof you’re in the wrong here.
I didn’t bring up the Russian people, and my previous comments clearly specify “Russian state apparatus”, I don’t know what you’re talking about
Says the one using persecution of the Jews by the Nazis in comparison to people rightfully calling out Russian assets…?
“Judeo-Bolshevism” isn’t the persecution of Jews. From Wikipedia:
“Jewish Bolshevism, also Judeo–Bolshevism, is an antisemitic and anti-communist conspiracy theory that claims that the Russian Revolution of 1917 was a Jewish plot and that Jews controlled the Soviet Union and international communist movements, often in furtherance of a plan to destroy Western civilization. It was one of the main Nazi beliefs that served as an ideological justification for the German invasion of the Soviet Union and the Holocaust”
Hmm, Russian elite plots are controlling the propaganda in all of the world (including Lemmy comments, social media, state media) and are so powerful that they can control even the USA. We should arm Europe “and prepare for invasion”!
No attempt, they do already.