• Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Them: Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard

    Us: Free Palestine

    Them: Terrorist!

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    The US Administration, more importantly a branch of the department of state, condemns French inquiry.

    A lot of the USA are cheering the French on.

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    A French Inquiry…

    “Did you ehhhhhh… do ze crime?”

    “Non”

    “Par Excellence! Time for some coffee and cigarettes!”

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    By condemning this, the “US” is shooting itself in the foot.

    Ever since Twitter owner used Twitter to say Canada “wasn’t a real country”, no Canadian should be using Twitter. That wasn’t just bias, it was an “in your face and screw you” kind of bias.

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    Martin: Organized crime?
    Cosmo: Hah. Don’t kid yourself. It’s not that organized.

    – Sneakers (1992)

    Twitter is absolutely going to say “well, we’re definitely not an organised hate group. Sometimes people just hate stuff. We’re just a social media platform, helping people organise. Oh shit”

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    Of course the US will fight tooth and nail to keep its propaganda machines at work all around the globe.

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      Except that Trump is currently trying to dismantle Voice of America" and other propaganda machines around the globe.

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        VoA is competing with the private sector propaganda wing.

        This is just American Libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion. The mistake the Communists made was thinking Pravda didn’t need to turn an enormous profit.

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        While being the biggest pusher of propaganda in US history.

        And VOA was only “propaganda” when you consider objective information to be “propaganda”, like dumbfuck Trumpers do.

        Since 1976 the Charter and later the 1994 International Broadcasting Act legally forbid government officials from dictating content. Don’t worry about facts, though.

        Trump himself tried to make it a propaganda outlet, doing the exact opposite of what you credit him for. He put Michael Pack in charge who sidelined editors, froze visas for foreign reporters and scrapped long‑standing “fire‑wall” rules that protect editorial independence.

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          The word “propaganda” is tricky. It has connotations of being lies, but that isn’t always or even usually the case. Objectively true information can literally be propaganda. The mission of the VoA is to spread American propaganda. That’s why it’s funded. That can be truths that foreign governments want to suppress, it can be spin, or it can be lies. VoA is generally pretty truthful, especially compared to the privately run domestic versions like cable news outlets.

          Government officials don’t need to dictate content. As you pointed out, content can be controlled by who is appointed to manage the content. They know the mission.

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        It’s ok when he does it. There is no such thing as a Republican who is able to be shamed by hypocrisy. It’s their super power.

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            Oh I forgot the Blue MAGA mantra: “anything the opposition does is automatically bad”
            When they say water is wet you have to deny it.
            Really you all deserve Trump

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                I guess there was a miss-understanding.

                What I meant was this:

                He has either control over content that is published by an entity (like e.g. a network) or he dismantles it.

                Or do you disagree to that too?

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          Wrong. It opposed Naziism and Soviet Union misinformation. Since then it’s been a standard journalism outlet that, by law, could not be dictated by US politicians.

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            Thanks CIA operative, it is no secret it has always been a propaganda outlet from your CIA bosses trying to stir up shit in countries they don’t control.
            And the US has never been against nazis, supported them plenty of times before during and after WW2.

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    EU just rolled over on trade with US. If anyone hopes for some actual fight against US and US corporations coming for Europe they will be disappointment.

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      EU just rolled over on trade with US.

      Controlled Opposition. The plutocrats in Europe and the plutocrats in America have been working hand-in-glove for over a century. This is no different than the German government “rolling over” for IBM and Ford and Coca-Cola in the 1930s.

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      Very disappointing indeed. Hoping to at least see continued work on digital independence, especially in governmental entities.

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      His free speech was never infringed. He can say what he wants and not be prosecuted for it. Whether or not he has a job isn’t covered by the First Amendment.

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        Despite being an “entertainment” show, satirical media is still media, and covered by the First. These shows still rely on that protection against lawsuits, and have been exhonerated with the same defence, Cobert in particular. If you could prove government interference in this case, I’d say there was a pretty good basis for a court case based on freedom of the press, which is the corollary of free speech.

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          But then, you see who sits in the supreme court, for fucking lifetime.

          And of course the stupid pardon rule.

          And immunity of president making him above the law even tho nobody shall be above the law.

          And possibility to de-found stuff without a vote or a chance to do a referendum.

          And gerrymandering.

          And winner takes it all.

          And no absolute majority requirement.

          All this made this fuckup possible.

          Everyone loses except only a very small minority wins.

          Do something about it.

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          “Free speech” doesn’t entitle you to dictate policy over privately held companies. We spent four years trying to convince Trumpers of this. Be smarter.

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            What do you mean, did the Biden admin target any particular shows or networks? Are you also aware the current admin is holding off Paramount’s merger to exert influence over their programming? IDK how free that feels. May not be directly breaking laws, but it’s absolutely a subversion of free speech.

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              No, it’s not. Free speech protects what you say from the government, not your employer. Your employer ALSO has free speech, meaning they can decide what can and can’t be said on their property.

              This is like saying Sesame Street doesn’t show hardcore porn and that’s a violation of free speech.

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          Like axing a show that didn’t make money ?

          That a poor comparison since on x the moderations is about random citizen and not paid employee doing a work for a company that a the end of the day is free to choose how to spent her money

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            Like axing a show that didn’t make money ?

            Even if that were true, which it isn’t, what business does the president have even mentioning it much less making a demand?

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          It’s a visceral reaction, my guess. It’s exactly the same argument that right wingers used when oreilly, carlson, etc got canceled.

          Not paying someone millions for saying stuff on TV is not infringing on free speech, now apparently it’s leftists turn to not understand it.

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    Just block it in Europe already. Or give Musk daily-increasing fines so he has it turned off in the EU.

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      Just block it in Europe already.

      The Brazil Government did this for a week and immediately extracted big concessions from Elon. Really curious to see the EU so reluctant to employ a tried-and-true tactic… assuming you believe these governments are adversarial to American plutocrats.

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      The Uk is never gonna block anything from the US let’s be honest, the EU might and maybe the rest of Europe, but the UK will not follow.

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        They are literally blocking post on x under their new protect the children rules. Which is a rule that will be abuse

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        As a UKian, this is unfortunately true. No matter how many of us want to just cut off the US completely, the government will always capitulate.

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    Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard, not silence speech they dislike.

    That’s real fucking rich coming from the government that:

    • Removed all references to “trans-” regardless of context.
    • Retaliates against left-leaning press.
    • Calls information they dislike “fake news”.
    • Sends immigrants to concentration camps.
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      I’m not even joking, I thought that whoever wrote this tweet was supporting the French investigation when I first read that.

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      EU is not much better.
      You have to be real careful with controversial subjects such as not liking genocide.
      And plenty countries have forbidden communism.
      Not to mention not honoring elections in Romania and anulling them, and not letting the winning party participate again.
      Even if it is a horrible right-wing party that won, that is still a mask off moment.

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      Don’t forget

      removed funding for weather services or deleted materials related to climate change

      runs from people trying to ask them questions

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        If we’re adding “runs from people trying to ask them questions”, we should be more accurate about it.

        runs from people trying to ask them questions, calling them plants put there by political opponents

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      so what do they do with transport? Or foreign companies using trans in their name?

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      That because they don’t want free apeech. They want the speech only if its their speech.

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        They don’t want to be forced to listen to what YOU have to say, but they want to force YOU to listen to what they have to say.

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      No no, you don’t understand. That doesn’t apply to us plebs (US citizens). It only applies to other countries so that the government can checks notes “strongly condemn” them.

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    Is this the same United States that’s investigating people for having unflattering memes of the vice president on their phone?

    Tell us more about the importance of free speech.

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      It’s the free speech where they cancel broadcasts they don’t like in exchange for approving corporate mergers.