Yeah. As soon as I posted this I started thinking through that and realized that I’m completely wrong. It may actually be better for anyone to have China spy on them. In fact, especially USA citizens.
Or by a government committing genocide on subsets of it’s citizens? A government that has disappeared citizens for decades for bit falling in line? Yeah, the US does that now too but at least it’s just starting. At least the US has had some sort of free press until recently. Good luck with any of that in China
Also, you missed the part where I said that nobody should be able to spy on me, we need open source hardware. That is the much bigger point. The US and China both suck, I don’t want to have to deal with either
Oh come on, really now? Uyghurs. Let’s start there?
And yes, all that is happening, and no, China is notoriously NOT cooperating, and yes, they have a reach as even uyghurs in Europe are followed when they try and speak out.
None of this is controversial, this is well established. Then again you’re one of those “I did my research, I read a Facebook page!” type skeptics that always come up with these weird requirements that can’t be met before you’ll believe anything that doesn’t match your warped world view.
China is committing genocide on Uyghurs, that is established fact. If you don’t want to believe that, fine, but I would like to let you know that I have a bridge I can sell you at great discount!
Sure, I can give you sources but just your “prove it beyond reasonable doubt” tells me that it doesn’t matter what I give you, you won’t even read it, you just want “China great”
I mean, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing that the US is fucking evil, because it is. Yet for you, the mere notion that China might not be the perfect paradise seems impossible to grasp
Makes me wonder, are you one of those Chinese government funded shills?
I’ll send you reading materials if you like but I honestly doubt you have any interest in expanding your knowledge at al.
extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, believing propaganda is not it. our worry is best placed on the country openly funding genocide and using their power to extort everyone else.
you can send my lemmy contact info to the CPC if you think that makes me suitable to get paid to shitpost on a very niche forum.
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That depends on where you hold a citizenship
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Name the country that it would be better to be spied on by the US than by China in.
Yeah. As soon as I posted this I started thinking through that and realized that I’m completely wrong. It may actually be better for anyone to have China spy on them. In fact, especially USA citizens.
Or by a government committing genocide on subsets of it’s citizens? A government that has disappeared citizens for decades for bit falling in line? Yeah, the US does that now too but at least it’s just starting. At least the US has had some sort of free press until recently. Good luck with any of that in China
Also, you missed the part where I said that nobody should be able to spy on me, we need open source hardware. That is the much bigger point. The US and China both suck, I don’t want to have to deal with either
Westerners continue to be the most propagandised people on the planet
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Oh come on, really now? Uyghurs. Let’s start there?
And yes, all that is happening, and no, China is notoriously NOT cooperating, and yes, they have a reach as even uyghurs in Europe are followed when they try and speak out.
None of this is controversial, this is well established. Then again you’re one of those “I did my research, I read a Facebook page!” type skeptics that always come up with these weird requirements that can’t be met before you’ll believe anything that doesn’t match your warped world view.
China is committing genocide on Uyghurs, that is established fact. If you don’t want to believe that, fine, but I would like to let you know that I have a bridge I can sell you at great discount!
then you should not have a problem to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
i don’t get this obsession with china when we have real verifiable atrocities anyway, but still.
Sure, I can give you sources but just your “prove it beyond reasonable doubt” tells me that it doesn’t matter what I give you, you won’t even read it, you just want “China great”
I mean, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing that the US is fucking evil, because it is. Yet for you, the mere notion that China might not be the perfect paradise seems impossible to grasp
Makes me wonder, are you one of those Chinese government funded shills?
I’ll send you reading materials if you like but I honestly doubt you have any interest in expanding your knowledge at al.
extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, believing propaganda is not it. our worry is best placed on the country openly funding genocide and using their power to extort everyone else.
you can send my lemmy contact info to the CPC if you think that makes me suitable to get paid to shitpost on a very niche forum.