• verdigris@lemmy.ml
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    21 days ago

    Tankies are very aware of what anarchism is, they just don’t think it’s realistic to get there without transition through state communism.

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      They would say that, seeing as step 1 after the revolution is to kill all the anarchists. “Yeah ally with us, don’t worry you can have your anarchy after we get what we want.”

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        What’s the issue with that? When there’s no unifying enemy anymore, I don’t see an issue with whichever ideology wins the fight coming out on top. Forever alliances aren’t goal oriented. We’d be stuck arguing over semantics and approaches to issues, instead of just getting things done.

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          “What’s the issue with murdering everyone who disagrees with you once you achieve power?”

          I mean, I guess nothing if you’re a blackshirt or, apparently, an ML.

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            That is simply how the world works. Whether you find it morally wrong or not, might does make right and the victor does write history.

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              That is simply how the world works. Whether you find it morally wrong or not, might does make right and the victor does write history.

              You have fun with simping for fascism, I guess, considering this is exactly the kind of dogshit Mussolini originally peddled as his special truth for braindead blackshirts.

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                What an absolute lib take to make. Violence is a necessity for successful class struggle.

                Read “Reflections on Violence” by Georges Sorel. Or actually look at the history of revolutions.

                I realize now I’m in the wrong community. Thought it was either a satirical ML place or an anarchist one. But nope it’s a brain-dead lib place. I’m out.

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                  “Murdering people for disagreeing with you is bad, and ‘might makes right’ and ‘That’s just how the world works sweatie’ is the literal foundation of fascism as outlined by Benito Mussolini.”

                  “What a LIB take!”

                  Violence is a tool to be used judiciously, not the end arbitrator of correctness, fascist.

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                  When anyone asks why leftists don’t unify with tankies I’m just gonna point here. Fuck all the way off.

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                  You literally started this by saying it’s chill to murder the anarchists because they disagree with you so I don’t think those subs will do you much favor either.

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                  I realize now I’m in the wrong community. Thought it was either a satirical ML place or an anarchist one. But nope it’s a brain-dead lib place. I’m out.

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                  I don’t think your views would be welcome in anarchist spaces either lol…

                  Violence is necessary but mass murder of different viewpoints isn’t that kind of violence.

                  Are you gonna keep the death penalty for any dissenting opinions after the revolution? How very anarchist

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      21 days ago

      I’ve seen tankies on Lemmy itself argue against the end-state of Communism as unrealistic. Not really sure that tankies are all that coherent.

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        For tankies, the end goal often is just the state capitalism. I knew countless of tankies, whose only problem with capitalist exploitation was that it wasn’t done by the state, and almost always even regular exploitative capitalism was better than its alternatives, because work moralism. This lead many of them becoming conservatives.