The word “propaganda” means any intentionally spread information. It doesn’t specify whether it’s right or wrong. It’s literally “something to propagate”.

offtopic: I love that movie. It shows everything right despite everything being not serious.

I don’t think it’s that centralized. Just some elite somewhere pushes through what elites everywhere would want, and they try to do the same around it.

Like spread of a disease.

I think the way to fight it is similar. Unions, customer associations, parties (not for election, but for having as many people as possible for mutual aid and actions ; it might even be counterproductive to get into government, since that breeds expectations which are not delivered upon, which hurts the party ; better to do volunteer projects without using state power as much as possible).

“waaa somebody wants to solve a problem that has never affected me I’m the victim”

Everyone has the problem that they’d want to discuss others behind their back. It’s not accepted because it doesn’t work to any good end.

“omg what if people talk behind my back they might find out I’m an asshole? literally 1984”

You won’t find out anything from this. People sometimes lie, especially in such situations.

but if an article about cybersecurity gets posted and this is our first reaction, makes me lose hope in Lemmy.

Human adequacy is a big part of cybersecurity.

No fundamental difference between censorship for being an anarchist humanitarian and for sharing CSAM. There’s a hierarchy, the top of which either decides to ban you or press someone else to ban you.

If the hierarchy is voluntary (as in paying attention to deletion\ignore messages signed only by those authorities you chose yourself), then both CSAM and anarchist speech will be shared.

Best you can do without enabling censorship is to choose what you replicate (Freenet doesn’t have that, hence CSAM flourishes there, with this thing it might be less convenient - you’ll have IP addresses of all the pedos ; sharing CSAM is a crime so it hurts them, being an anarchist is not so it hurts anarchists less ; though some way to achieve pseudonymity with still only storing what you want would be good).

This and many other things is why I always thought that even from the viewpoint of “common good” reverse engineering, copying and disassembly and whatever else of everything digitally stored should be absolutely immune to the law. Otherwise it’s illegal to know if the other side is breaking the law to sue it.

I agree. High standards and common ideas of “right” are generally present among people insecure and easily gaslighted.

Such as those that would use this app. Point?

That’s also why in the middle of the previous century propaganda was mostly aimed at women. That’s killing two birds with one stone.

Stats depend on perception. Where a woman reports abuse, a man often spends an evening drinking or something similar. Not reporting abuse.

Expectations of men are too somewhat cruel. You should be grenadier-tall (or gorilla-wide, point being, you should look fit), with facial features like those of Kianu Reeves, with voice like that of Orlando Bloom, confident like some CEO, honorable like a samurai from some movie, yet able to override that honor at her whim and do any atrocity to make the world better for her. Like some picture of 1930s’ propaganda.

If you don’t deliver, then she silently pities herself and silently looks down at you for that. But God forbid you seem like that picture in some regard and then inevitably turn out to be more human, that deceit she won’t forgive.

It was a problem a century ago that women were mostly right-wing and chauvinist and traditionalist. Most of that has been undone, but not how women in average see gender relations.

OK, so about the app - I won’t be surprised if it was an intentional honeypot, honestly, to expose those who will use it. And it’s a bad idea, there’s no way to verify anonymous accusations, which means it’s a tool for defamation of any man, and a way to discredit things of the kind written there at the same time.

When there are enough competing parties, the argument of “I live in country A and I don’t care about B’s special services reading my messages”, where A and B are in a state of adversity, starts working.

By competing parties I mean not just A and B, but a plethora of snakes in that pit.

So - do it Elon. It’s fine.

And the reason sexual things had to be filtered was that they are harmful and skew kids’ perception of healthy sexuality.

Gambling wasn’t considered healthy even where and when marrying a toddler was normal. After all, a traumatized person with unhealthy sexuality does generally understand they are traumatized, a person taught that addiction is normal - not.

It is. It’s like the medieval Sound Toll, you can’t measure it well enough because there are no trade routes between the Baltic and the North Sea other than the Sound, the Kiel channel is not yet a thing.

Perhaps you were mostly in the right kind of communities on Reddit.

Also I dunno what you’re talking about, I gave up on Reddit after being banned for like 10th time, the reasons all being “calls to violence” (that’d be about civil rights, democracy and such) or “ethnic hate” (that’d be about NATO allies not having a carte blanche to do whatever they want, specifically Turkey and Azerbaijan).

I’m less reserved on Lemmy, and my views are around anarcho-capitalist (I’ll admit some Trotskyist and anarcho-syndicalist things appeal to me, so sort of left from the average).

What kind of stupid s*** is this? Is the Fediverse just a safe space for leftists because of what happened to Twitter?

It’s a hierarchical system. Want something better - design and implement a p2p social media with democratic leadership of communities.

Yeah, an oracle for the masses is something very convenient.

Just remind me, who had the power - Alexander or his fortunetellers? Caesar or his fortunetellers? Or whether Delphi oracle ever managed to turn the religious part into power?

BTW - I understand how such ideas can be out of sincere desire to help humanity. Magic thinking is natural, and some perception of the world is natural, and evolution is just not fast enough for the technical developments we have.

And what I’d want in the future to account for that (sort of a panopticon, not because I’m an exhibitionist, but because you can’t make a subset of society always tracked and visible without making everyone always tracked and visible ; and lack of banking privacy, for example, in Scandinavian countries doesn’t seem to hurt them that much) might well be worse than what they want. A bit like Zamyatin’s book.

It’s just that “might” doesn’t negate the fact that they are already doing a few very bad things, like genocide. Perhaps their mitigation is just not worth such sacrifices. Perhaps mine is better then.

As, eh, someone living in Russia - comparisons of the Russian military with the IDF are at this point unjust. It fights a war of aggression, and it does that the Soviet way, which is imprecise and costly in lives of civilians. But it doesn’t intentionally starve a whole city, shooting at those coming for aid it pretends to provide and intent on “deporting” them entirely.

Just to make it clear, the whole situation sucks, and there is a right and a wrong side, but not comparable with Gaza.

I think you’re overdramatizing it. Humans do shit when they can. The secret to prevention is to make so that they can’t. Not to make them promise they won’t. Not to pick “good” people who “certainly” won’t. Not to say many words how the wide masses will riot if they will.

Just make it so that they can’t. If they can, they will.

are the wooden hobby drones

They are using pretty normal drones. There are just different distances and different tools for different strikes, but they are pretty competent. BTW, learning from them is right too, Russia and Ukraine are now two nations with very competent and up-to-date militaries, in terms of modern warfare and not justice or glossiness. Evolution works.

in that one successful strike against Russia

They are, eh, making successful strikes all the time. Disruption is an achievement too.

Dunno, I’ve seen quite a few Spanish second names on that site people link here in comments.

I’d say it’s going to be a problem for everyone, but not like Kristallnacht. That was, a reminder, SA public action, rather artistic, in line with the Nazi official policy. A show.

Though one can say today’s elites love a good show too, I won’t repeat again that thing about impression economy I’ve read about from Cory Doctorow, I think. I think in line with that some Nazi approaches are possible. That’s what they did with Gaza and Alawites in Syria (no way this was without Israel’s and US and EU approval, just no way).

But - impressions also were a big thing then. Radio just became popular. Olympic games. Automobiles gaining popularity. Airships. Electric lighting. Radiola, pianola, such various automatons using radio and punchcards. Tabulating machines that Nazis used for their population census.

That wasn’t just goons given right to do whatever (they were in Nazi Germany too, but that was small stuff - once a few dozen times someone failed to say “Sieg Heil” they might have been beaten or even killed by a Nazi, and in general Nazis were openly against any kind of due process, - all that “fanatisch, total und radikal” stuff about just vibing through grotesque cruelty and aggression, they were LARPing a tribe, after all, - so acts of random cruelty were normal).

So yes, the time is similar in some way. But when thinking that, let’s also remember that in the 30s many people would think Hitler is the future in Britain and in USA, and in east Asia that old impression still holds.

The steel monsters that broke this one’s back were too not nice, but they did the job and learned some of the lessons.

When I worked for DoD. This was CBP and Other three letter groups biggest fears. Having their private lives invaded.

Might be unwise to frighten them before you have something to substantiate that fear with, they have weapons and an organization.

Cause frightening them without such basis is how you accelerate fascism. They would want to just enjoy their newly gotten power and - for the top - stolen money, but fear compels them to also press against threats to that.

Like after Bolotnaya protests in Moscow the Russian regime started doing various crap with increased tempo. They might not even have attacked Ukraine without it.