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The feds have violated lots of people’s right to fair trial over the years but in the past, they weren’t so incompetent and didn’t do it so blatantly.
Forcing that handsome man into a bullet proof vest in an attempt to make him look like a Batman villain should be enough evidence on its own for this to be thrown out.
He do be rockin it tho tbf
He do. He definitely do be rockin’ it nicely. Hella cool. Smoov.
Oh man, the criminal government did criminal shit? Good thing they control the court and the consequences, I guess.
Pretty sure they didn’t commit a crime. And it’s not uncommon for these things to happen in high profile cases. A “fair trial” is very difficult.
it’s literally a violation of his sixth amendment rights as an American citizen.
it’s a crime to violate the rights given to citizens through the constitution.
just to say again.
a crime was committed.
where is the difficulty exemption?
You’re under the mistaken belief that it’s criminal to violate Constitutional rights.
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
don’t be a dumbass and educate yourself.
That’s two or more people conspiring to violate rights. People still routinely have their Constitutional rights violated and it’s not criminal. I’m literally litigating a § 1983 federal lawsuit right now. It’s rarely criminal. Just stop spreading misinformation.
a 1983 is a deprivation of rights and amounts to a finding of legal implication. it’s a far more serious section compared to 241 because it implies both intent and execution.
241 implies conspiracy to commit to a violation of rights which would fit the current argument better than 1983 since there’s a lack of motive and evidence against the DOJ for violating his sixth. it could be used as discovery to identify evidence between communications to lead to 1983.
a crime is a crime, regardless of who/what committed it. the government is no exception, however it’s not like you can slap cuffs on the entire DOJ. those individuals involved would need to be charged for anything to stick. no different than if an employer killed an employee through neglect. those responsible would be charged, but the company would get off mostly unscathed.
It is difficult to prove willful violation of rights (required for a criminal case) which is why it doesn’t happen often, even while people’s rights are violated routinely.
Charges should be dismissed with prejudice.
He’ll probably end up “suiciding himself with two gunshots to the back of the head” if he actually somehow gets out of this.
Why?
Is that not what happens with a mistrial?
No, usually they have a new trial. If there is prosecutorial misconduct, it could be dismissed with prejudice. It’s pretty rare
The mayor called him a murderer lol how the fuck are they supposed to have a fair trial
I keep saying it: The one thing that may still save us, is their virtuosic incompetence. All we have to do is give these apes enough rope, and they will eventually hang themselves.
The problem is all the damage they’ll do before then.
It’s funny that of all the alleged murderers that end up in court, The put a ballistic vest on Luigi we certainly ain’t gonna shoot him) just to make him look more dangerous.
“we” aren’t. But the Bootlickers might try to. But I agree that it’s to make him look more dangerous. Because they certainly wouldn’t give a shit if a red hat shot him.
True americans knew day one that this whole case is botched and ruined since the administration politicized it and the healthcare CEO’s made it to be WAY more than it was.
Hopefully he is let go and we can start arresting and charge the criminals running our country right now. It’s gonna take years to charge all the people in the white house, so the sooner we start, the better.
Arrest the HC CEOs too. And everyone else complicit in killing people for profit.
Make them face the wall.
Healthcare businesses will always be responsible for saving and taking life. Are you wanting to dissuade anyone from ever working in healthcare and thus dismantle it entirely?
United health cares experiments with randomly denying care falls under “saving life” to you? Seems like capitlist excess and murder to me. They have the highest denial of claims rate by far of any insurer. And they trusted claim denials to AI in order to save money, which they knew for a fact had a 90% error rate, such that 9 of 10 claims it denied were reversed on appeal. Only some people did not appeal, they just died having not appealed, or died waiting for the appeal process. Appeals take 60 days. During that 60 days people simply are denied the care their doctors are shouting that they need. Does being made to just sit and wait 60 days for your first appeal while a treatable cancer eats your insides sound ethical to you? You might get pissed during that wait period eh? Might start doing some target practice. If you did I wouldn’t blame you one little bit. Self defense is what that is.
"The lawsuit, filed last Tuesday in federal court in Minnesota, claims UnitedHealth illegally denied “elderly patients care owed to them under Medicare Advantage Plans” by deploying an AI model known by the company to have a 90% error rate, overriding determinations made by the patients’ physicians that the expenses were medically necessary.
There IS such a thing as criminal mismanagement of a corporate entity, and I think united health care corporation deserves the corporate death penalty for this, and their executives who green lit this program should be imprisoned to the fullest penalty the law can provide for criminal negligence. THIS is exactly why everyone celebrates Mangione. And if laws dont exist to hold these people to account, we need politicians who will make some.
Bullshit. In sane countries, if a doctor bills a service, the insurance simply has to pay it. In most health systems, if a licensed doc bills what is a normal unexceptional standard procedure for a condition, the insurance simply has to pay it. They’re a licensed doctor. That’s just one of the powers of their position. If an insurance company thinks a doctor is committing fraud, they can haul them in front of the medical licensing board and make them justify their diagnoses and treatments. Sane countries simply do not allow insurance companies to arbitrarily deny coverage for non-experimental, non-cosmetic medical treatment. If a doc sets a broken arm, insurance isn’t even allowed to try and weasel their way out of covering it.
Most medical systems around the world work like this - by simply trusting the judgement of state licensed physicians. They do this, and the sky doesn’t fall. And we’re the ones stuck with the most expensive medical system on the planet.
Brian Robert Thompson, the serial killer that murdered 40,000 innocent people, did so by overruling doctors for profit by denying life saving medical care. In most countries his actions would have been a national scandal that would have seen him in a cell for the rest of his life. He was a mass murderer personally responsible for a dozen 9/11s. He literally dwarfed the body count of Osama bin Ladin.
You didn’t disprove my statement.
To disprove it, you would have to claim that these “sane countries” do not deny any life-saving treatment, thus never taking life. Yet every single one of them has limitations in their services. They’re replacing the insurance denial with a system-level denial by means of a narrow scope of provided services. Insurance can’t deny what’s never provided.
So, for clarity, are you claiming that these “sane” healthcare systems never let people die due to treatment that is too expensive?
Brian Robert Thompson, the serial killer that murdered 40,000 innocent people … He was a mass murderer personally responsible for a dozen 9/11s. He literally dwarfed the body count of Osama bin Ladin.
I know you’re trying to cope with your bloodlust by dehumanizing him as much as possible. But this sort of logic makes anyone with a dollar in their pocket into a murderer. It’s insane, and you know it.
You’re just classist when it comes to your views on violence. You don’t actually care about human death and suffering; you only care about optics. You’re perfectly happy with someone murdering tens of thousands of people as long as they wear a suit and use a pen as their murder weapon. Sorry, but if you concoct an insurance system that is deliberately designed to remove people from the life-saving care that they are legally entitled to receive as part of their insurance plan? If you deliberately design a Kafkaesque nightmare literally designed to make people die of their conditions before they’re able to navigate through all the hurdles you place in their path? If you do all of this just to drive your stock price higher? You are every bit as much a murderer as any psychopath that carves people apart with a knife.
And no, this scarcity mentality is bullshit. Yes, there are always some novel, experimental, and ridiculously expensive treatments that need to be denied for cost reasons. But no system, private or public, covers those, so there’s no point considering them for this discussion. But bog-standard well-established treatment do not need to be rationed. No one is going on chemotherapy just for fun. You absolutely can have a system where no one dies from lack of affording standard well-established medical treatments. The US is the outlier here. The rest of the developed world doesn’t have this problem; only us. Yet you’re here, having gouged your own eyes out to willfully blind yourself, saying that you simply cannot see a way how this can be done!
Did anyone actually think he’s gonna get a fair trial? He’s obviously a patsy set up because they couldn’t find the real guy anyway. Who actually carries the weapon on the bus with them? The real one is probably at the bottom of the East River.
There’s a shocker.
They have done it that way for everyone since coming into power. Even if they know thr proper procedures, they have continually shown no desire to follow them
Would be funny if they had to let him go because they were so sloppy
In the Alec Baldwin case it seems to me the important people at the office took on the case because it was so high profile. They screwed it up because of their inexperience with actually doing any work.
Could be the same thing happening with this case.
And after the DoJ historically having a 99%+ success rate in front of Grand Juries, this administration has had loss after loss, absolutely unprecedented.
They don’t even get a chance to learn from their mistakes, because they just blame their losses on liberals, somehow. They are convinced that they are right in their legal strategies, so they keep on the same path, despite going over the same cliff, every time.
We all know that’s because Trump insists on the DOJ following his orders even though he doesn’t understand the law, right?
Under qualified Presidents, the DOJ was expected to maintain high standards of ethics and follow the law. That meant bringing indictments with enough evidence to win cases and not prosecuting cases when the evidence didn’t support them.
Under the current clown-shoes administration, the DOJ is expected to bring indictments against anyone who hurt Little Donny’s feelings, regardless of the evidence. And (at least for now) the rest of the judicial system is still following the law, which means that those cases get no traction.
They are sloppy. It they won’t let him go. Owners need this guy in prison, he did it or not
They need someone to crucify in public for this. They chose him.
Now the crucification will cost them so much credibility.
Now the crucification will cost them so much credibility.
It’s a nice thought, but no it won’t. The 99% that always vote two-party really don’t give a fuck about anything other than what their favorite news broadcast tells them to, and all the news broadcasts villainized Luigi and tripped over themselves talking ad nauseum about Thompson being an innocent victim, and a family man, etc. etc. etc.
That doesn’t work as well as it used to. It’s all about infosiloes and reality tunnels these days.
Trump administration screwed the pooch big on this. This has got to be a mistrial… it being inferred he was a left wing extremist like some others in the news right now was so stupid… dummies…
it being inferred he was a left wing extremist like some others in the news right now was so stupid… dummies…
I have to disagree because I think this conclusion is a trap.
The people listening to that stuff and eating it up? Yeah, dummies.
The people SAYING that stuff though? It feels very intentional because it’s a win-win for them. At the beginning they get the base riled up, donating, and engaging with the propaganda machine. Then later on when Luigi suddenly gets off on a technicality, the outrage over that fuels even more furor, donating, and posting/watching.
Conservatives live on outrage. It is irresistible to them. Especially to the white persecution complex ones like my extended family, god damn.
This administration is absolutely salivating for a violent leftist attack. It’s disturbing.
Putin has been trying to get a “color revolution” going here for nearly two decades and Trump loves the idea because they think they could end local governance and any hint of new elections if that happens. That’s why you see rhetoric everywhere about how “you can’t fix this with elections” and “this only ends one way.”
Well, unfortunately, as of recently, there has been an uptick in violent leftist extremism. If this administration has been expecting violence from the left, unfortunately, the left has certainly delivered.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please provide evidence of this uptick in violent leftist extremism.
I shouldn’t have to do this. This information is being covered by the liberal media, why are yall seeing this? This isn’t even an “extraordinary” claim. Its the cognitive dissonance that can keep people from seeing things that challenge their own ideas and beliefs.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-left-wing-terrorism/684323/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/25/political-violence-leftist-right-wing/
You remind me of Julius Streicher. He used the same evidence standards as you do. He argued that left wing violence was out of control. He did so, like you, not through statistics, but anecdote. He would demonize minority groups and ideologies by breathlessly posting the few crimes committed by them, while ignoring the overwhelming number of crimes committed by conservatives or the racial majority. Fascists thrive on anecdotes and hypotheticals and wither in the face of actual statistics.
As for your buddy Streicher? We hanged him in 1946 at Nuremberg for crimes against humanity and incitement to genocide.
“Right-wing extremists were responsible for the vast majority of domestic terror attacks and foiled or aborted plots in the past 30 years, followed by Islamic jihadis.”
Yes, clearly it’s the left that’s the problem.
“However, left-wing attacks were very rarely fatal with only two deaths since 2020 - Luigi Mangione’s alleged assassination of UnitedHealthcare boss Brian Thompson last year, and Michael Reinoehl’s fatal shooting of right-wing protester Aaron Danielson in Portland, Oregon, in August 2020.”
Well, so much for your claim of “uptick in violent leftist extremism”. Two deaths, and that’s giving you Luigi Mangione as an extreme leftist, which itself is a pretty dubious claim.
But hey, at least right wing attacks were down the last few years. I wonder why that might be?
“CSIS said Joe Biden’s crackdown on far-right groups after the January 6, 2021, insurrection also helped, as it left extremist movements in disarray.”
Oh hmm… well good thing all of those insurrectionists are still in jail so they can’t do any more harm. Oh…wait a minute…
Where
The United States.
That’s a big place, specifically where
there has been an uptick in violent leftist extremism
What are you referring to?
Nothing specific, but this is a good opportunity for you. Google “uptick in violent left extremism” or something similar. You can find all sorts of articles from different news organizations. Try not to be too surprised…
“Nothing specific”
I. E.: "I pulled this ‘thought’ directly out of my ass and presented it as a fact hoping to bullshit someone into believing it, then put the onus on them with a self-fulfilling shit-bot search aided by shit-Ai summaries that absolutely will hallucinate a response saying: “yes, there has been an uptick in violent left extremeism”
You’re out of your damn mind.
I hope your self-delusion isn’t as bad as it appears. Ive already told you what to Google to find relevant articles by mainstream news sources.
No, nothing specific. If I cared enough I would send you 5 links with relevant stories about how violence being performed by leftist extremist is on the rise.
If you keep pushing ill link you the articles, but please, be a big boy and do your own research.
Nah, you’re not worth the time.
Is the violent leftist extremism in the room with us right now?
Its cute that you try to copy what you see others say. Keep it up son, you’ll figure it out.
You started it by parroting baseless right-wing propaganda.
No sorry. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/25/political-violence-leftist-right-wing/
I could get links about the rise in leftist extremism violence all day
Read your own source. Before 2025, right wing attacks outnumbered left wing ones twenty to one. We have one outliar year, a year where all the right wing terrorists can now get jobs at ICE, where they can assault minorities freely. And of course some on the left inevitably respond to rising fascism with violence.
Show us on this doll where the violent leftist extremism touched you.
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Are you serious? Are yall capable of having an original thought? You just regurgitated an old insult just like the last moron comment…
You guys are funny.
Are you serious? Are you capable of having an original thought? Just pointless, baseless outrage just like every other moronic outrage comment.
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of replacing competent career government officials with stooges.
Conservative Justification: You have to be patient, and give the process time to gain momentum. If you need to accelerate the process, then more conservative policies need to be implemented, more harshly.
I’ve been hearing that for literally 40 years. Shouldn’t those policies have kicked in by now?
Oh, right, they did.
Well, that and the murder-friendly administration publicly announcing that you’re going to pursue the death penalty hard probably makes it a whole lot less likely people are gonna try a plea
LOL, as if Democrats wouldn’t have railroaded him too. They 100% support the health care system that is killing people.
Don’t blame the Republicans guys! Democrats are not perfect so please don’t look at all the bad things Republicans are doing! Look over here not over there!!
You know: “Their guy sucks as bad as our guy” isn’t the brilliant defense you think it is.
I’m pretty sure they’re referring to the incompetence, not the unfair trial
It’s not all out of incompetence though, some of them do know that’s not how the law says it should be (and many don’t, sure), they just want to bully their way into making it work that way and then just keep doing it that way because they don’t like the current way.
Or they know that loyalty matters more than results in the current admin.
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To me, the method here doesn’t matter much. We’d get a fascist approach regardless.
They 100% support the health care system that is killing people.
100%? That’s a lot for a world with Bernie, AoC, and Zohran Mamdani in it.
Those people are the periphery of the Democratic Party, and deliberately held in that place by the rest of the party. When people say “The Democrats” they mean the people with actual power in the party, like Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, etc.
*88%
Maybe theyre not all in, vut they did condemn luigi. They lack a backbone just like the rest of the democrat party. Theyd rather just kinda hope things get better rather than making it happen.
glances around, sees a FBI van across the street
“Of course I condemn violence”
sweats profusely
Hehehe. It’d be hilarious to see the whole prosecution fail because they were unsustainably aggressive and sloppy.
Hilarious, they were so thirsty to bust someone they fumbled literally everything. Their evidence chain of custody was fucked, no way to prove it’s authentic or untampered
I knew it was horseshit the moment they just found the three things that were impossible to find “from a good Samaritan” all in one neat place. Look at this man right here, he has suspect, motive, and murder weapon on his person’s right now!
This whole case stinks like shit.
The actual killer was good enough to escape and hide for days. He’s long gone and hiding now. Not in a McD’s with all his evidence.
Their facial recognition software gave them some people that vaguely resembled the killer. They dug through their backgrounds and found a queer kid living in a youth hostel, someone estranged from their family. If you were going to pick an innocent person to pin this on, he’s the classic type. Cops have been pinning unsolved crimes on drifters and other undesirables for centuries.
Want to know what I want to know? Where is Luigi’s workshop? That’s my question. How the hell do you print out, machine, refine, prototype, and build a 3D printed gun while living in homeless shelters and youth hostels?
Printing a gun is not like printing a page on a laser printer. It can be done, but it requires a long iterative process and a whole workshop worth of tools. If you want to convince me Luigi made a 3D printed gun, then you damn well better be able to show me his workshop.
So again. Where is Luigi’s workshop?
