I think blue states should bring in all in-house solutions to cut the middleman White House out of it. States rights!
We did that with CARB and now the feds are trying to stop it after decades of other states signing on because it worked so well here in Cali.
considering how california alone is like 14% or whatever of the US GDP, i’d say they should just tell the federal government to suck eggs
At the very least they need to hire these doctors and scientists that RFK Jr. fired so their wisdom and knowledge don’t go to waste!
Oooh, the second US civil war may still be on but not in the way we first thought.
When the US falls apart I strongly suspect the nation of Cascadia to form from these states
It’s a good way to keep out garbage ICE invasions from LA.
Great, provided there is some version of the Nuremberg Trials for Silicon Valley techbro nazis.
They are welcome to fix their hearts or die.
The problem… or complication with this…
Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will … counter-seceede.
Go look up the Greater Idaho project.
There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to … have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.
From a legal/constitutional perspective… this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.
Northern/Eastern CA + Southern OR will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of ‘Jackson’.
There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades you are on.
I’ve hastily cropped that image from this source:
https://brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/
So… yeah… if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came ‘too close’ to functionally doing that?
Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and ‘official’ state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap, and other major West Coast bases decide to do, as well as major city/regional/state police.
Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE… ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corps.
Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.
Oh no doubt. Any kind of secession would be resolved with a civil war, and the final borders might not be recognizable.
How many people do you think live in Oregon?
The majority of Oregonians live in Portland metro area.
A similar stat can be found regarding Seattle metro, and Washington has more blue cities than OR.
So, for starters, I am describing people by where they live, not how many live where.
Yes, of course, many more people live in major urban areas than other wise.
But it is still true that by area, there are many areas in WA and OR that are very highly Republican… presumably you have noticed the dramatic cultural difference between two of such of those areas.
Again, go actually look into the Greater Idaho project, a lot of these people are very serious about … seceeding their counties from Dem dominant WA and OR state governments, to join ID’s Rep dominant government.
This is a concerted political campaign that has been going on for over a decade and has gotten quite a lot of popular support in those counties via county level referendums.
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Further… the other point I am making is that the red areas are often quite extreme in their affinity for firearms.
It… does not take too many armed terrorists, militia cells, patriots, whatever you want to call them, to effectively terrorize or act as an insurgency in an area… especially if the official police are generally amenable to your movement… cops tend to be right wing authoritarians.
If you have ever lived in Portland or Seattle, I am sure you have observed the regular flooding in of non locals, from environs, whenever some kind major sport event, or public event occurs, or even just generally during work hours, good times to go shopping or clubbing or w/e.
Now just imagine that including some domestic terrorists.
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This almost certainly would not play out as simply as the red and blue areas just… becoming their own nation states and then raising their own formal militaries to do battle with each other, where the red areas would lose simply by having less people or less industrial base.
No, civil wars, balkanization, sectarian violence, insurgency, occupation… is way way way more complicated than that.
Maybe go read up on how that went/is going in Iraq and Afghanistan or Syria or Ukraine… for some recently case studies on how complicated this can get.
Jackson
Lincoln, Jefferson or Liberty not jackson
When?
I did not have “Civil War over vaccines” on my apocalypse bingo card.
It’s literally a life-or-death matter.
Yes, civil wars (or really any war) usually involves that sort of struggle. And also yes, vaccines save lives and are settled science.
2025 has had a lot of unexpected surprises!
still 3+ months of surprise left. So tired, so very tired
They should probably just join back up with Old Mexico and take Colorado too so they are left out cold
As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.
Those are negotiating chips. Less likely to be invaded if you have nukes at your disposal.
Colorado has NORAD but that’s not where many of the silos are.
Pretty sure these are still active. I’ve driven by some of them.
HUH. I stand corrected.
Don’t listen to a Canadian. Only lived in CO for a few years in the mid 90s.
Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you’re at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.
And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn’t do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.
BC says no thanks. Even west coast US is still broken AF.
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Since you’re including the entire north american west coast, can Baja California get an invite too?
I love when people throw around the idea of Canadian provinces just being up for grabs, as if we want anything to do with what’s going on south of the border.
We are not opposed to that either.
Colorado is willing and able to join this western alliance!
If NM joined I’d move there in a heartbeat.
Isn’t that Cascadia?
Cascadia lives!
Cascadia never dies!
Until the quake comes.
Usually, when people talk about Cascadia as a country, they include British Columbia.
God we have trouble enough with Toronto thinking it’s the centre of the world and ignoring BC. We’d have zero influence in Cascadia.
Quite a few of the folks I know consider BC just as big / important a part of the PNW as Bellingham, Seattle, Olympia, Portland, Salem, Eugene, etc.
Sure. How much weight does that have when Sacramento decides to run a water pipeline from Capilano to eastern Washington or whatever?
Technically, only a small section of California is part of the Cascadian region. But so is most of Idaho… And I think just about everybody would be happier if we made that trade.
Frank Black dubbed it Calistan in 1994
geographically cascadia excludes socal and includes BC. it’s a different climate, ecosystem, etc
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i love that the health guy looks like the most illnesses possible in one person
“So, what your saying is…I’m indestructible!”
"Oh, no no, in fact even a slight breeze could-”
“In-de-structable!”
He’s just 16 preventable illnesses in a trenchcoat
Has anyone seen RFK Jr. and one of Nurgle’s Great Unclean Ones in the same room together? I don’t think so…
This is gold. I could see John Oliver or Jon Stewart using this.
Republican Health Minister and sixteen-preventable-illnesses-in-a-trenchcoat, promising he’s a real boy, RFK Jr. said this week…
Many people are saying there is something wrong with his mitochondria.
Well that can’t be good. That’s the power house of the cell!
The deep dent in the side of his temple is the icing on the cake.
Meanwhile Florida has started to form toddler death Voltron by announcing they’re removing all vaccination requirements from schools.
I fully expect there to be a southern collation of iron lungs soon.
The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn’t been born yet.
Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange
New band name
Iron Lung Collator is taken.
I thought they meant Southern Coalition of Iron Lungs at first, but Toddler Death Voltron is better still.
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CASCADIA IS REALLLLLLLL!!!
Damn right it is. (my back country setup).
Teach me how to dougie
Arggg…
I think a lighter blue or cyan at the top would make the tree more visible and better match the sky
Say nothing more until you read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_flag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cascadia_movement&wprov=rarw1
Okay, I’ve read that and I think it would look better with a lighter coloured sky
Mom: We have Lebanon at home…
Free Cascadia!
Maybe we should be our own country…
Please.
Cascadia Cascadia Cascadia! ! !
hella stoked for the Pacific States of America.
If those 3 leave the union, I think the country’s more or less done for.
I’m sure Canada could find a use for a few more provinces…
No thanks. Make your own country and we’ll be allies.
Probably make us territories to start with full province status later. Joining Canada as provinces would be much more like Canada becoming the outer Pacific states. California alone has nearly the same population as the entirety of Canada.
The agreed-upon future name is Cascadia.
cascalifornian republic
Illinois would like to join your federation.
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I’m planning on not paying shit.
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Be a shame if they didn’t call it COW. Vaccinated so it doesn’t get Mad.
Vaca vacunada :)
This looks scarily like a map from a dystopian movie. WSA - Western States of America.
Said it before and I’ll say it again: if Cascadia ever looks like it’s gonna become a thing I’ll drive myself there and be homeless rather than live in the US with a weakened and even more right wing Senate and house.
If the West Coast breaks off, the Northeast will more or less be forced to.
Honestly, at this point, I think when is the more accurate term. Balkanization is coming, I’m pretty sure
And no west coast access to the sea… there’s no way the US would let another country control their pacific coast sea ports.
Hey if you ever make it to Cali, I’m sure I can talk with some of my contacts to get you a place. Gotta look out for the disadvantaged after all :)
Provided I don’t get stuck in a camp before then, I’m about to start nursing school. Once I have a BSN I’m getting my ass to a blue state. In the meantime it’s SC and TX D:
Hit me up if you come to Oregon, can crash on my couch :)
Y’all need to stop offering me this, I’m gonna take one of you up on it. I want out of the south :(
New California Republic
Cerbearus
It’s pretty much the JPS from High Castle. Too hard to play offense in the Rockies, let them have their Neutral Zone.
