There is a difference between delusion and steelmanning. I would argue that if you don’t know how to steelman, then you’re not really capable of having a civilized discussion. Civilized discussions require empathy.
empathy? Like I should try and understand a Nazis POV… have a civilized dicussion with him/her?
At some point you need to just look the other person in the face and tell them to get fucked.
I’m rapidly approaching that point with you.
Yes, telling the other person to “get fucked” is a guaranteed way to ensure that you aren’t having a civilized discussion.
And yes, MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca, empathy is necessary, not just to have a civilized discussion, but simply to be a human. Like, for example, I am empathizing with you here, despite your escalating rhetoric. Suddenly, it’s not about us having a discussion, it’s about having a discussion with a Nazi. These are the sorts of things people say when they just want to win, and they don’t care how they do it. Ironically, a tactic pretty closely associated with Nazis.
The reason humans bait mouse traps with food is they have empathy for the mouse. Maybe you shouldn’t throw away such a useful tool out of a desperate need to feel like you’ve won an argument.
civilized discussion doesn’t involve aggressively trying to delude yourself.
There is a difference between delusion and steelmanning. I would argue that if you don’t know how to steelman, then you’re not really capable of having a civilized discussion. Civilized discussions require empathy.
empathy? Like I should try and understand a Nazis POV… have a civilized dicussion with him/her?
At some point you need to just look the other person in the face and tell them to get fucked.
I’m rapidly approaching that point with you.
Yes, telling the other person to “get fucked” is a guaranteed way to ensure that you aren’t having a civilized discussion.
And yes, MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca, empathy is necessary, not just to have a civilized discussion, but simply to be a human. Like, for example, I am empathizing with you here, despite your escalating rhetoric. Suddenly, it’s not about us having a discussion, it’s about having a discussion with a Nazi. These are the sorts of things people say when they just want to win, and they don’t care how they do it. Ironically, a tactic pretty closely associated with Nazis.
The reason humans bait mouse traps with food is they have empathy for the mouse. Maybe you shouldn’t throw away such a useful tool out of a desperate need to feel like you’ve won an argument.
lol you don’t know how rabid dems are these days, no wonder they lost
Get fucked.