• MrSulu@lemmy.ml
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    The bellends own words “… replaced with someone much more competent and qualified. Important numbers like this must be fair and accurate, they can’t be manipulated for political purposes”. There is tragedy that we need social media to call out his misleading the public.

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    How long before this and similar sites for rational and civilised discours are “banned” in the US.?

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      It’s not all that crazy since they had a carefully designed scheme all planned out in Project 2025. People acted like that was some kind of conspiracy theory, but they literally printed it up. 🤬

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      Stay tuned. It’s going to get much worse before the American people actually do something about it.

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      Americans were like that during the Bush years. Illegal wars, torture, inept cronyism.

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        I kind of excused some of that due to societal PTSD from 9/11 but in retrospect around half of Americans just fucking suck.

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          societal PTSD from 9/11

          I feel 9/11 was less of a “we were struck by the ravages of war” and more of a “how dare they shoot back” event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular.

          I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says “we want more of this”? Apparently most Americans?

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            It was revenge for making Americans feel vulnerable. Two oceans and the world’s strongest military made Americans feel safe from the world (and the effects of U.S. policies toward it). Even national humiliations like losing the Vietnam War were things that happened “out there.” Domestic resistance to the invasion of Iraq often took the form of “Why Iraq when we should be going after the people responsible for 9/11 instead?” Resistance to the invasion of Afghanistan was much more muted for this reason. It was only later that everyone was always against both wars.

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          One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people.

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            i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i’d challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting.

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          1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don’t vote.

          EDIT: it’s also worth noting that many can’t vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls.

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            Remember most eligible voters don’t vote.

            Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That’s still a lot of folks who didn’t vote, but it’s not “most.”

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            Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don’t care if you voted or not.

            If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point.

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              It’s also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll.

              It’s still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day.

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                In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it.

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          The veneer of respectability is gone. 250 years of slavery, 100 of segregation, COINTELPRO, overthrowing democratically elected governments across Latin America, the Red Scare, ‘Regime Change’, the Patriot Act etc. This has always been an authoritarian country controlled by the wealthy. Trump just stopped pretending to be anything else.

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            This post deserves more attention. It’s disappointing how short people’s memory is and how few can see the bigger picture. It didn’t start with Trump and it’s not going to end with him. I like to think of this administration like a comic relief that’s not very funny.

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          The current regime is just the next step in authoritarian fascism from the Trump era. Democrats should have arrested and exposed all the criminals but they prefer neoliberal economics and performative actions over justice.

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          What’s new is that an American politician uses all the dirty tricks on the US itself instead of a country on the other side of the globe.

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          Bush deliberately accelerated the execution of majority poor black and Latino men in Texas as a popularity contest before he even thought about running for president.

          He only seems affable because he’s rich.

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          Bush is an international war criminal and a US criminal by lying to congress to start multiple wars.

          The fact that America didn’t have the balls to arrest its previous criminals only allowed the next set of criminals to take it even further.

          America is a land full of subservient serfs that want an authoritarian figure to rule over them. They don’t even care if their master is a child rapist.

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          No, Bush just had some decorum. Trump is also taking advantage of the weakening of institutions and norms that occurred during the Bush administration.

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      And it makes sense that the US is turning into a Banana Republic itself, considering the Banana Republics were a result of American corporations and the US government using their power to undermine democracy in those countries.

      From wikipedia:

      A banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class. Typically, a banana republic has a society of extremely stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling class plutocracy, composed of the business, political, and military elites.The ruling class controls the primary sector of the economy by exploiting labor.

      Sounds pretty familiar

      How it happened in Guatemala:

      During the 1950s, the United Fruit Company sought to convince the governments of U.S. presidents Harry S. Truman (1945–1953) and Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) that the popular, elected government of President Jacobo Árbenz of Guatemala was secretly pro-Soviet for having expropriated unused “fruit company lands” to landless peasants. In the Cold War (1945–1991) context of the proactive anti-communist politics exemplified by U.S. senator Joseph McCarthy in the years 1947–1957, geo-political concerns about the security of the Western Hemisphere facilitated Eisenhower’s ordering and authorising Operation Success. It was a 1954 Guatemalan coup d’état by means of which the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency deposed the democratically elected government of Árbenz and installed the pro-business government of Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas (1954–1957), which lasted for three years until his assassination by a presidential guard.[2][19]

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        secretly pro-Soviet

        Ah that chronic brain worm hasn’t gone away… It is super handy to have a general purpose all-evil evidence-free adversary to blame everything on.

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      They’ve gone up quite a bit in my corner of the US. They used to be 30 cents a pound and now they’re 53 cents per pound for the same product at the same store in the last few months.

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        Hm, you’re right, they’re 69 Canada cents/lbs and they used to be half that. I only buy two at a time so like I don’t notice. They’re still affordable in absolute terms, right?

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          Oh absolutely. I forget which government subsidizes it but they should be a lot more expensive considering the trip and handling required.

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    I think it says something interesting that the American criticism of an American dictator put in place by corporatism is talking about that time America helped one its corporations conquer South American countries.

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    I’m confused – if he knew Trump was going to be so mad, why didn’t he just release better numbers? That’s how it used to work in the USSR and plenty of people were able to keep their government jobs.

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      Because you can’t just make up the numbers, everyone has to lie a little bit at every step or you get endless whistleblowers

      It takes time to build that kind of administrative understanding

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          The fascist supporters aren’t a monolith. Yes many are dumb, but too many are aware and actively like the evil. Some are “smart” but are low information and still vote straight R like they used to, some are deeply in the cult (and just need to be silenced as much as possible, because they’re too far gone to help), some are openly fascist, etc.

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    Fucking pathetic… that’s what those who see strength in that turd are.

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      … but they’re gonna need to get 2 jobs to make up the money for whatever they were doing for “the government”, so net positive jobs!!! <<insert head pointing meme>>

      /s

      Go see The Naked Gun. It’ll at least have you laughing at something meant to be funny!