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- leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- cross-posted to:
- leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
[dude with glasses in a communist t-shirt, arguing] I’m the only leftist here, your opinions are TRASH
[dude holding a theory book on smug, arguing] Read theory you losers, you’re all WRONG
[dude in an anarchist hoodie, arguing] Nuh-uh, I’m the only leftist here, you’re SHITLIBS
[the three dudes are now caught in a cartoon fight, glasses gone flying, punches everywhere, while a firing squad of nazis are targeting them with rifles]
[a confused nazi asks] Why… why are they still arguing?
So if there one thing I’d be happy for you take out of this convo, is that I am in no way supportive of US-style polemics about “this is such a communist shithole!” or any of the variety of standardized phrases comparing “capitalism” to “communism”.
When I lived in the US, this was extremely annoying! That being said, that doesn’t mean I am going to deny reality.
But they have. There are no more communist countries. The remaining countries that are marketed as communist, have long become authoritarian capitalist countries.
There is zero mass momentum towards “communist” parties. Many “communist” parties are little more than fronts for places like russia (a hyper-capitalist shithole with a majority of the population committed to genocidal imperialism).
Anarchists and communistic system have indeed existed before the USSR/CCP China appeared, but they are not functionally comparable to an ideology-focused communist government regime.
It’s like saying commerce, competition, innovation are element of capitalism, when these things have existed before capitalism and will likely exist after capitalism (in the polemical sense) becomes mostly a matter of history books.
This is false.
This is not cold war propaganda. I was born in the USSR, as was my family. I live in a country that was occupied under the banner of communism under the USSR.
I oppose the current oligarch regime and I have an extremely negative view of the American political system. That being said, communism is not the answer.
Communism is the past. It’s history. It’s done.
We need to build something better (often inspired by the ideals of Marx), we are wasting chasing a dead end ideology; this only makes the oligarchs and the criminals stronger.
Well, I don’t see any point trying to continue to have a discussion with someone who’s just a blunt genocide denier.
Suffice to say, to all your arguments: This is false.
How am I a genocide denier? Which genocide did I deny?
Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I quoted you directly
I didn’t deny any genocide. And if you knew me better, you would understand how stupid this statement is.
I said your statement that liberal democracies have killed more people than regimes that are seen to be associated with communism is false.
To be frank with you, I think you are projecting an image of an enemy on me.
I do not like oligarchs, especially American ones because of their impact and their tendecy towards degeneracy.
I already told you I found standard US copytext around alleged differences between socialism and capitalism to be comically dumb. It’s one of the reasons why my default mode of thinking is to assume that the content of common American socio-economic arguement is gibberish (unless proven otherwise).
I think Marx is prophetic and I believe his ideas will actually be realized in the future (maybe not in our lifetimes). In contrast the theological thought leaders of US-stope oligarchy (Friedman and other “economists”) will go down in history as liars and criminal enablers; evil people.
That being said, communism as perceived by wider society is a dead end.
What we need is a new movement that reflects the dialectical materialism of the information age and offers a different mode of economic relationships to the oligarch regimes and the type of relationships that people associate with the word “communism”.
I think we agree on a lot more things than you think, with the exception of “communism” as a brand, as opposed to it’s end goals.
I quoted you directly
But yes, I’m going to continue to take a page from your book. To everything you say: This is false.
You do you. I still believe we are actually on the same side.
I made a good faith effort to try and explain my views and show that even if you disagree, there is a measure of nuance in what I am saying. I will note that good faith effort doesn’t mean I was agree with falsehoods.
I will just add that your abrasiveness and lack of desire to build bridges won’t lead to anything good. Mark my words.
This is false.
Great, neither will I. Especially not genocide denial.
This is false