• StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.ca
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    Then how come China and Russia adopted fascism too? Apparently all socio-political ideologies decay into fascism.

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      Both of those are capitalist, and of them only Russia is fascist. Genocide is a pretty good tell, but it’s not in and of its own enough to declare a polity as fascist. That doesn’t make the Uighur genocide and crew any less reprehensible, but not everything horrible is automatically fascist.

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      To call China fascist is definitely an… adventurous take. There are lots of criticism you can make of their government but fascism? It’s not just a word for when the government does oppressive stuff. Their military spend is small, they don’t have ambitions of military expansion and government control only really of Taiwan. While Han culture is promoted China is very clearly a multiethnic state and there are active efforts to preserve some diverse cultural heritage, they definitely don’t promote violent political struggle and stratification of the strong over the weak - really I would levy criticism towards the intense pursuit of order.

      They are culturally very conservative, a massive surveillance state, censorious on some things, and harsh towards certain kinds of political dissidents but this doesn’t make a government fascist.

      Words do mean things.

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        EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM

        1. Powerful and continuing nationalism

        2. Disdain for human rights

        3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

        4. Rampant sexism

        5. Controlled mass media

        6. Obsession with national security

        7. Religion and government intertwined

        8. Corporate power protected

        9. Labor power suppressed

        10. Disdain for intellectual and the arts

        11. Obsession with crime and punishment

        12. Rampant cronyism and corruption

        I’d say that China scores very highly across most of these. I’d almost give them a pass on Intellectual and the Arts, but even then only approved intellectualism and the Arts are allowed.

        E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents

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          If you want me to say that highly centralised surveillance states can easily fall to fascism then sure.

          I think nation states are a terrible thing, china just isn’t a fascist one.