Back when I was a kid, pedophilia meant what she said - attraction to a prepubescent child. If someone was an adult who thought a physically developed 15-year-old was sexy, that was just logical.
Was this the 1890’s? I was born in '82, and I can’t think of a single time someone was like “oh an adult and a 15 year old child? Yeah that’s okay.”
I find it strange that we use the same word for someone who rapes a toddler, as someone who “statutory rapes” (as it would be called) a 15-year-old. They are both wrong, but it seems to me that one is much worse than the other. Both because of the attraction (or I guess power fantasy) on the part of the adult, and the impact to the victim.
This is straight priori falacy. Why the fuck are you arguing the ‘degrees of okay-ness’ for sex with children. This is fucking baffling.
Saying, “Both these things are bad, and one is worse,” is not the same as saying, “One of these things is more okay than the other.” Neither one is okay.
If we cannot compare bad things without that comparison implying, “one of them is more GOOD than the other,” then all bad things are equally bad. If I said that committing pedophilia is worse than beating your wife, am I now saying that beating your wife is better? What about stealing from the cash register at work, or jaywalking? Are all bad things just equally bad, with no comparison possible, or else we’re praising the virtues of crime?
To your first point, in that sentence I wasn’t talking about actually dating or having sex with the 15 year old. I was talking about looking at them, and thinking they are attractive. So no, nobody would say that the “relationship” was okay, but they wouldn’t roundly condemn someone for being attracted to them, or having the urge to look at them sexually, in their own head.
It used to be relatively acceptable to say something like, “Man, I sure think that 15 year old looks hot, but of course I won’t go anywhere near her, because she is too young,” but never, ever, to say the same about a 5 year old. That first sentiment is the basis of many distasteful songs and jokes and movies. The second one would be met with confusion and revulsion for even thinking it.
And once again, I am not saying that is right. I am just saying how attitudes have changed. For the better. Now we say that even looking at a teenager is wrong. That looking at their body is as bad as looking at a very young child’s body. Because in both cases, it’s not how messed-up you are in the head to even think about it. It’s about how it would harm them to go through with it. And that’s a better attitude.
Was this the 1890’s? I was born in '82, and I can’t think of a single time someone was like “oh an adult and a 15 year old child? Yeah that’s okay.”
This is straight priori falacy. Why the fuck are you arguing the ‘degrees of okay-ness’ for sex with children. This is fucking baffling.
Thinking one thing is worse doesn’t mean you endorse anything else.
Saying, “Both these things are bad, and one is worse,” is not the same as saying, “One of these things is more okay than the other.” Neither one is okay.
If we cannot compare bad things without that comparison implying, “one of them is more GOOD than the other,” then all bad things are equally bad. If I said that committing pedophilia is worse than beating your wife, am I now saying that beating your wife is better? What about stealing from the cash register at work, or jaywalking? Are all bad things just equally bad, with no comparison possible, or else we’re praising the virtues of crime?
To your first point, in that sentence I wasn’t talking about actually dating or having sex with the 15 year old. I was talking about looking at them, and thinking they are attractive. So no, nobody would say that the “relationship” was okay, but they wouldn’t roundly condemn someone for being attracted to them, or having the urge to look at them sexually, in their own head.
It used to be relatively acceptable to say something like, “Man, I sure think that 15 year old looks hot, but of course I won’t go anywhere near her, because she is too young,” but never, ever, to say the same about a 5 year old. That first sentiment is the basis of many distasteful songs and jokes and movies. The second one would be met with confusion and revulsion for even thinking it.
And once again, I am not saying that is right. I am just saying how attitudes have changed. For the better. Now we say that even looking at a teenager is wrong. That looking at their body is as bad as looking at a very young child’s body. Because in both cases, it’s not how messed-up you are in the head to even think about it. It’s about how it would harm them to go through with it. And that’s a better attitude.
They’re not looking for a nuanced opinion. They want to be outraged and self-righteous, not to have a conversation.