Love this videos but somethings I just plain disagree with. Horses, in war, a dumb idea? I just feel like he’s personally not got the best relationship with the species.
It might be he’s arguing specifically against cavalry though, not horses, but I remember thinking he just sounds like he’s not comfortable on horses.
Which I find odd, as he loves dancing and I feel those two are pretty similar.
A horse-drawn cart is very awkward indeed in comparison to how nimble a good rider on a horse can be. I don’t remember the content of the video and am not listening to it rn
Yeah… I think this is just wrong. It think you’re right that he is just making a big authoritative sounding thing based on his personal experience on horses and guessing and extrapolation and some light confirmation-bias research.
he is just making a big authoritative sounding thing based on his personal experience on horses and guessing and extrapolation and some light confirmation-bias research
fwiw Lloyd is very well known for mostly doing this. A lot of his content is actually relatively shallow, or has important shortcomings if not outright errors (though those tend to be rarer) that someone with more knowledge would immediately pick up on. He brings an interesting perspective where he bases things on his personal experience, which is often indirectly related to what he’s talking about. Like re-enactment as a way to talk about HEMA or historical warfare. It’s interesting and worthwhile, but should not be considered anywhere close to authoritative. Still, he’s generally better than most HEMA-adjacent but not-actually-HEMA creators.
However, the video posted by @Dasus@lemmy.world is not quite as bad as you and @PugJesus@lemmy.world might think based on its title. For starters, he’s very clear in that video that he’s only talking about cavalry, not horses ridden for other reasons, and certainly not horse-drawn carts. Heck, he even specifies that he’s not talking about chariots, which were the main way horses were used in battle for thousands of years.
It’s actually just a clickbaity title for why the invention of the four-pommelled saddle or stirrup was necessary for cavalry (defined as people who sit on the back of a horse and fight in battles from horseback) to work.
If you want some genuinely bad horse content from Lloyd, try this one where he interviews a re-enactor and modern horse-trainer who claims mediaeval cavalry could be trained to charge into an enemy line…but they’d only do it once. Though even that isn’t necessarily as bad as some critiques have made out, because the re-enactor talks about how the goal is to get the enemy line to break, and the “only do it once” claim seems to be if the infantry line holds formation. For example, this Reddit comment seems like it may debunk the claim made by the guy Lloyd is interviewing, but only really in its antipenultimate paragraph, and even then it’s hard to draw conclusions on how strongly it refutes the claims in the video (Elandslaagte is described in Wikipedia as a cavalry charge that began after the Boers were already retreating, some of the other battles are described in that Reddit comment as involving the cavalry charge breaking the infantry, etc.). On balance it seems likely the claim in the video was made overly-strongly, but I think it probably isn’t quite as terrible as it may seem on the face.
Yeah. I posted a video showing a pretty detailed critique of Lindybeige, I think you are correct and he’s just sort of the “pub expert” on things but not qualified to be authoritative.
I posted a video showing a pretty detailed critique of Lindybeige
Oh, you did? The only links I can find from you are his fire-arrow one and a link to the !nerd_streams@ibbit.at community. Sorry if I missed something elsewhere.
Oh right! I’ve actually seen that already, lol. I think it got passed around in my HEMA groups. Does seem a little unfair to lump Lloyd in with the likes of Shad and Metatron, who are both out and proud members of the “anti-woke” alt-right and bordering on Nazis, but on the whole the video does paint him quite fairly, in my view.
“Cavalry was a stupid idea” is a pretty big thing to be wrong about, though. Like talking about physics and asserting gravity is a myth and if you close your eyes and believe, you can free yourself from its tyranny and float. Even if they were correct in 100% of whatever else they said on physics, it’s going to be hard to believe them from that point on.
Yeah. The biggest empire of the ancient world was built on basically a 100% horse archer military and they didn’t seem to have too much of a problem.
I feel like it would be different if he was citing some kind of history “look at the composition of all these armies, cavalry’s actually a really small part, look at these big battles where the horses were a liability and then they moved away from them after.” That’s history, whether or not it’s right or wrong, it’s based in fact. This whole thing sounds like “I ride horses and it’s a mess, cavalry doesn’t work, the end.”
He also has a video titled “let the children smoke” and I completely agree with the video.
I haven’t relistened to this now, but I’m pretty sure he’s not just plain out asserting it’s bullshit, just like he’s not actually pro-children smoking tobacco.
Love this videos but somethings I just plain disagree with. Horses, in war, a dumb idea? I just feel like he’s personally not got the best relationship with the species.
When did he say horses in war were dumb? Yeah, that’s wrong.
Cavalry was a stupid idea
It might be he’s arguing specifically against cavalry though, not horses, but I remember thinking he just sounds like he’s not comfortable on horses.
Which I find odd, as he loves dancing and I feel those two are pretty similar.
A horse-drawn cart is very awkward indeed in comparison to how nimble a good rider on a horse can be. I don’t remember the content of the video and am not listening to it rn
Oh Lord.
Yeah… I think this is just wrong. It think you’re right that he is just making a big authoritative sounding thing based on his personal experience on horses and guessing and extrapolation and some light confirmation-bias research.
IDK, I thought this guy was legit, but maybe not.
fwiw Lloyd is very well known for mostly doing this. A lot of his content is actually relatively shallow, or has important shortcomings if not outright errors (though those tend to be rarer) that someone with more knowledge would immediately pick up on. He brings an interesting perspective where he bases things on his personal experience, which is often indirectly related to what he’s talking about. Like re-enactment as a way to talk about HEMA or historical warfare. It’s interesting and worthwhile, but should not be considered anywhere close to authoritative. Still, he’s generally better than most HEMA-adjacent but not-actually-HEMA creators.
However, the video posted by @Dasus@lemmy.world is not quite as bad as you and @PugJesus@lemmy.world might think based on its title. For starters, he’s very clear in that video that he’s only talking about cavalry, not horses ridden for other reasons, and certainly not horse-drawn carts. Heck, he even specifies that he’s not talking about chariots, which were the main way horses were used in battle for thousands of years.
It’s actually just a clickbaity title for why the invention of the four-pommelled saddle or stirrup was necessary for cavalry (defined as people who sit on the back of a horse and fight in battles from horseback) to work.
If you want some genuinely bad horse content from Lloyd, try this one where he interviews a re-enactor and modern horse-trainer who claims mediaeval cavalry could be trained to charge into an enemy line…but they’d only do it once. Though even that isn’t necessarily as bad as some critiques have made out, because the re-enactor talks about how the goal is to get the enemy line to break, and the “only do it once” claim seems to be if the infantry line holds formation. For example, this Reddit comment seems like it may debunk the claim made by the guy Lloyd is interviewing, but only really in its antipenultimate paragraph, and even then it’s hard to draw conclusions on how strongly it refutes the claims in the video (Elandslaagte is described in Wikipedia as a cavalry charge that began after the Boers were already retreating, some of the other battles are described in that Reddit comment as involving the cavalry charge breaking the infantry, etc.). On balance it seems likely the claim in the video was made overly-strongly, but I think it probably isn’t quite as terrible as it may seem on the face.
Yeah. I posted a video showing a pretty detailed critique of Lindybeige, I think you are correct and he’s just sort of the “pub expert” on things but not qualified to be authoritative.
Oh, you did? The only links I can find from you are his fire-arrow one and a link to the !nerd_streams@ibbit.at community. Sorry if I missed something elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9KD3Xv7D1c&t=1349s
It was way up outside of the thread, easy to miss.
Oh right! I’ve actually seen that already, lol. I think it got passed around in my HEMA groups. Does seem a little unfair to lump Lloyd in with the likes of Shad and Metatron, who are both out and proud members of the “anti-woke” alt-right and bordering on Nazis, but on the whole the video does paint him quite fairly, in my view.
I mean, he’s “legit” in my opinion, but no-one is right all the time.
“Cavalry was a stupid idea” is a pretty big thing to be wrong about, though. Like talking about physics and asserting gravity is a myth and if you close your eyes and believe, you can free yourself from its tyranny and float. Even if they were correct in 100% of whatever else they said on physics, it’s going to be hard to believe them from that point on.
Yeah. The biggest empire of the ancient world was built on basically a 100% horse archer military and they didn’t seem to have too much of a problem.
I feel like it would be different if he was citing some kind of history “look at the composition of all these armies, cavalry’s actually a really small part, look at these big battles where the horses were a liability and then they moved away from them after.” That’s history, whether or not it’s right or wrong, it’s based in fact. This whole thing sounds like “I ride horses and it’s a mess, cavalry doesn’t work, the end.”
He also has a video titled “let the children smoke” and I completely agree with the video.
I haven’t relistened to this now, but I’m pretty sure he’s not just plain out asserting it’s bullshit, just like he’s not actually pro-children smoking tobacco.