I don’t know if this is an ultra leftist take or just a regular leftist take but I keep hearing how only changing material conditions will bring about social change in the US. But then why the heck are we even bothering to read theory and talk about it with people?
Another take is that communists should be supporting countries that the west is most profiting from via imperialism, and help those countries fight back against imperialism, which would lead to changing conditions in the west. And like okay, I guess we can do that but not everyone can just go travel and be a professional revolutionary, so again, are communists in the states supposed to be doing something or patiently waiting?
What’s your best take on this?
Liberals do this, they won’t listen to you anyways. They will laugh at you because what you’re saying is against the ideas of the ruling class, which to them is the obvious dominant way of thinking in society.
You have to very calmly and succinctly utterly destroy every part of their argument, call them out on shifting goalposts and then, and this is the key part, they will try to lie to support their argument. If you catch them lying without getting mad you will have the upper hand.
One shortcut can be catching them being racist. Libs are racist, more so than right wingers in the sense that right wingers want to be racist to hurt people’s feelings liberals don’t even acknowledge that some people are human, and if you catch them in this act of dehumanization (eg: I don’t hate the people, i just hate the government. Okay but why don’t their people hate the government. Because they’re all brainwashed. So you think their whole population is easily brainwashed and they need you to tell them the truth?) Sometimes that gets them to shut the fuck up and reflect a little bit.
I don’t think this battle is worth it though, most of the time. Like you said it’s exhausting. These people don’t have any real friends anyway, have you noticed?
You could also just attack them personally for being a fascist.