I questioned it a few years back on reddit and was told it’s an old American saying for white people, and its apparently from the sound a whip makes rather than the biscuit.

" …some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the wood burn "

if purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of doing something, then you’re part of the problem.

I’m always happy to talk about routes of how we get to a better place, but if you’re just wanting to argue then I’ll pass.

So long as it fits your world view you mean; else it’s inflammatory language like I’m ‘doing nothing’ or I’m ‘Virtue signalling’ and being ‘part of the problem’, but of course, I’m the one looking to argue.

I already established a very obvious talking point for a route to get to a better place, and it starts with the tribunal kier and his cronies refuse to have, but that talking point was brushed over rather than addressed so whilst your words fit the bill, your actions certainly do not.

The one thing we can agree on is that this conversation is pointless. Our priorities clearly differ greatly, to the point where a separate party just makes sense. You can call it pissing in the wind, or a waste of a vote, doing nothing etc… but that’s exactly how I view voting for labour in the next election; they’re going to bleed votes to reform and SNP, and then you’ve got the left wing voters who want to see actual change, rather than this Tory lite approach to politics jumping ship too. The only people left will be the centrists; and that’s never going to win an election.

actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.

Nobody is suggesting feeding people is virtue signalling, stop with the strawman already. I’m suggesting that pointing to your work at a food bank and then banging on about “being morally better” and “virtue signalling” in the very next breath is laughable.

There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.

So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?

This is just pure virtue signaling.

As the trustee of a food bank

Pot. Kettle.

The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.

Call it whatever you like, but what’s asinine is to keep voting for the same party, and expecting different results.

Ah so you’re suggesting the numbers are falsified?
I Definitely wouldn’t put that past the maga lot, they haven’t said a single truth since they took the whitehouse; but this was as soon as the results were announced (Nov 6 from what I can tell), so i was just banking on their laziness, in the sense that they would just pull the graph from AP or somewhere like that.

Are you able to link us to the figures that show gen x voted for predominantly Harris? All the ones I find seems to corroborate this trend of predominantly trump supporters.

IE the BBC, which aren’t exactly trumps biggest supporters:

I also found the source of the image used by whoever that maga loon I originally linked is, it seems to be from NBS news. I know little of their integrity as a news outlet, but here is the source nonetheless:

NBS 2024 exit polls

I wonder if they’d still be around had they pivoted to the internet’s true purpose.

I’m not American so I can only go based off statistics, but from what I can find, the opposite is true?

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But y’know, shakes fist
those darn kids are at it again.

Consequently any virus worth its weight in salt will hide the terminal window before executing.

Do you truly believe kier beat the Tories on his own merit, rather than the Tories self imploding? Even after winning, he had around 1m less on the popular vote than Corbyns loss in 2019… Why? Because voter apathy and a general disdain for the tories handed labour the last election, rather than them winning on their own merit.

The only reason I and many other people voted for Kiers labour was exactly as you said, 14 year of tory regime has decimated the countries welfare, and intentionally so… But the countries complicit nature In the bombing of children in Gaza continues, if it wasn’t for good ol’ Jeremy there wouldn’t even be an inquiry as labour have rejected the bill to hold an independently run tribunal to investigate the governments complicit nature in the Gaza genocide and that is just too big of a pain point for me. I refuse to have the blood of innocent children on my hands, even if it means life at home gets easier.

This is ultimately how democracy works right. Labour pretending to be the left wing option of the UK has left many voters disenfranchised… Now, labour can own up to being the centrist party they’ve become, and those who want the lesser of two evils can continue to vote for them… The rest of us who want to see real societal change, can try a new approach.

labour is not a left wing party, the sooner people accept that, the better

Ant

Ah you’re right, he wasn’t British; he was Norwegian, so even more likely to be white. Is it accents rather than skin colour that set the racism off?

The claims that this didn’t happen, is simply the accused saying “actually no”. It’s their word against his, no evidence has been provided to prove that what the DHS say is accurate (the current regime still won’t release the Epstein files, so I doubt they’d release any evidence about something so trivial in comparison) and quite frankly, the maga regime hasn’t been honest about a single thing thus far, so why would they start now?

The supposed admission you refer to is due to them finding a picture of a wooden pipe in his photos on his phone, not because he admitted to drug use on a form. Which makes the whole “white tourists are getting deported for the content of their phones” still ring true.

“When life gives you a frog go through the anus” - Aristotle, probably.

Ah yeah that fits the description, thanks.

Go on, I’ll bite.

children dying of dysentery because I decided to be a carpenter.

What’s this in reference too?

Yeah agreed, that was a question clearly posed to rile up the moderates in the party, knowing how he would respond with his hardline anti-war stance.

Whether or not I agree with the statement, I judge his character higher for that response; unapologetically honest, to a fault even, and stood by his beliefs. That is definitely evidence of him being a poor politician; had he less integrity, he may never have been ousted… But equally, with less integrity; he’d probably end up just another Blair clone like Starmer.

It’s no different with the Ukraine Russia situation. Corbyn is calling for de-escalation rather than war with Russia; which will inevitably be spun into Corbyn being Pro-Putin in the media rather than anti-WW3. Sure he could keep his mouth shut, and play the game, but why should he? The country is tired of politics. “Nothing ever changes”, “they’re all the same” are common complaints citizens have… So maybe we should stop voting for people based on their capacity to be dishonest, and instead look at the people who seem to have some integrity.

I like the implication that pornhub is the foundation upon which all social media was born.

The Internet was made for it ig.

The material he gave them was campaigning against Zionist activities in Gaza way back in the noughties; before all the genocidal stuff happening now, and his defence was anti-zionism ≠ anti-Semitism… which I think in today’s light is a very obvious statement, but back in 2019; the average person wasn’t aware of what was happening in Gaza, and so the papers ran with the antisemitism angle.

I get what you’re saying about playing the game; he could have been dishonest and claimed that the parties issues with Israel’s warmongering was actually antisemitism, apologised and given an empty promise about change, to which no-one would bat an eye (a politician lying is a politician breathing etc…), but that’s the exact problem with politics… Corbyn was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise toxic environment; unapologetically honest, and cantankerous when it comes to people pussy footing around an issue, and this is exactly why the media dogged him so heavily… they couldn’t buy him, and he was gunning for their owners hoarded wealth. If it wasn’t the anti-Semitism angle, they would have found something else to try and beat him with.

Even now, he’s attempting to force the UK to address the ongoing British involvement in the Gaza genocide; ofcourse the Tory lites rejected any investigation, which in itself is reminiscent of Blair’s labour and Iraq.

Just as well that it’s just you misrepresenting what was said then isn’t it.

I didn’t even think of the ICE situation in LA but you’re right; suggesting that’s where the tourists are just shows a lack of awareness around that whole situation too, which is just as insane.