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  • It’s quite simple.

    Each person is an individual, with their own sets of values.

    Piefed is only one, if those rules federate (I’m not sure about this) in all piefed there only “one” community.

    If you are inline with that community you’ll be very happy with the “community” moderation.

    If you are not inline you will not be happy.

    Only happy people who is inline with community moderation will stay, because, why stay in a place that you don’t read people you like and other people cannot read you. So then there’s the echo chamber.

    If for you the echo chamber is a feature, as it seems, then just admit it. I think we are down to the fact that “echo-chamber” is a name with bad connotations, and thus the pushback. We can give it another name “hideous-free chamber”.

    But at the end is a space where you are only going to communicate with people that agree with you. If you like that space then go to that space, it seems that you think that’s positive “not having to be blocking all the time and letting the system block for you”. If you are inline with that system then, as I said, you’ll be happy there.

    But don’t sell it as what it’s not. It’s not a place where diverse opinions could exist, by definition. Only the majoritarian opinion could exist there, by design.

    I get an issue, because it seems like you are saying that in piefed each person can moderate then there’s “more different moderators”, or something like that. But it’s not, as all moderation, votes, are pack together and there’s only ONE moderation, the moderation of the majority.

    At the end, time will tell. Piefed do exist, and it’s rolling. It’s just a matter of giving it time and seeing if the place is more diverse than lemmy or not. Lemmy it’s quite diverse, it’s a hard objective, most people here don’t even agree with Lemmy devs, and there are distinct groups in distinct instances with very diverse values (in fact I get the feeling that piefed was mostly created to separate themselves from one of those groups), let’s see of in a couple of years there’s such diversity in piefed. I don’t know how it’s going to be possible, as people who would have diverse opinions would be affected by the automatic moderation feature and will promptly leave the space, but let’s see.







  • It’s not about who have the power. There are still mods on piefed with all the same power as lemmy mods.

    But with the downvoting penalty people get an opportunity to banish people they do not agree with to the shadow realm in a way that’s not possible in Lemmy. It’s not the power of the people it’s the power of a furious mob against anyone out of the mob.

    You say “hideous user” I say any user who disagrees on the slightest with the mob ideas. And as the echo chamber closes smaller and smaller divergences will get punished until people will literally just be an echo of the allowed discourse.

    I do think those piefed feature are a great mistake. People still have all the power via blocking users or instances here. But the “extra power” to the people is not really that, is just a net of authoritarianism in disguise. Heavy punishments to anyone disagreeing with authority, it doesn’t matter that much if authority comes from a King, an aristocracy or a Soviet (assembly of people) it’s still authoritarianism. And that’s what I think will happen with any piefed instance that enables these features.

    We all know that no only “hideous users” get downvoted, and that “hideous users” not always get downvoted. We all know that even the platform says to not use the downvote as a “I disagree button” people use it for this.

    I’m more on the opposite side of the spectrum on this matter. And more and more I think it’s better to completely get rid of the downvote button. If you really don’t like something block it for you, there’s no need for people to have tools that greatly affect other people. For instance if you downvoted some comment of a third user and that comment gets hidden. I may like that comment but now I don’t see it because you were given a tool that gives you power over me. A tool like that is great for majorities to oppress minorities. As part of several minorities I’ve always been wary of those.



  • Voting patters. screw up relations between votes and comments. Buch of votes coming in at particular points in time. Comments that were being upvoted for hours suddenly getting 30 downvotes at once. It’s pretty obvious.

    I’ve been on the lookout as it’s not the first time this happen with anti-AI gang. I have been suspicious about bot usage by some user on this topics for some time. So I’ve been comparing post where people talk about AI and other posts and the voting patterns are all different.

    This could as well be just old classic brigading. But with brigading you usually get more one line comments, when it’s just the votes it’s usually bots.