"These holidays are actually pretty great, it’s capitalism that ruins everything. " Is basically the gist of both holidays. The difference is that Halloween, isn’t nearly as capitalism infected as Christmas. Other than decorations and costumes, spending on candy is no where near what it is for Christmas presents. And making a good costume doesn’t even have to be expensive. The worst part about it is the candy and stuff but even that is part of the fun because kids love going around and getting treats and stuff. And I LOVE giving out candy and seeing all the kids in costumes.
Also, dressing up in costumes is awesome. I love it. It’s so much fun. I feel it would pretty easy to convert it to a less consumer minded holiday.
The difference is that Halloween, isn’t nearly as capitalism infected as Christmas
Depend where. In USA, maybe, but in Poland it’s the christmas that is still resisting while Halloween is 100% cultural hegemony enchroachment and seems to be celebrated mostly by americanized people and retail shops.
Still, i would take it over the incredibly sad and drab Polish All Saints Day since it’s just distilled boredom and sadness, why even other catholic countries like Mexico can have it fun and we are left without even the medieval danse macabre, just the feeling of doom and feeding money to priests.
The difference is that Halloween, isn’t nearly as capitalism infected as Christmas.
Debatable.
Here Halloween is a cultural import from the US promoted by stores copying the aesthetics from American TV shows. There is a holiday with a different name on the same day that shares a common root with Halloween that got completely replaced by Halloween. And this only happened over the last few decades.
Disagree on the debatable. I don’t think it’s debatable at all. All you have to do is look at how short the marketing time is for Halloween VS Christmas. Halloween marketing doesn’t really kick up until October and you don’t really see many people doing decorations anymore. Meanwhile, stores start marketing for Christmas before Halloween is even over. People turn black Friday into its own little shopping holiday. I know people that spend part of their Thanksgiving day, planning their Black Friday. Halloween has become and afterthought as Christmas consumerism has already devoured Thanksgiving.
Because it exists entirely because of Christmas. Christmas consumerism MADE Black Friday. Without Christmas, there is no Black Friday. It exists solely to feed the consumerism of Christmas… One could say, If Christmas was America, Black Friday is Israel.
It’s supposed to be the day that retailers are pushed over the financial red line back into black ink, but I don’t think anyone is believing buying that for a few decades, now.
It was started as just a “BIG CHRISTMAS SALES” day many years ago. It was dubbed “Black Friday” because more and more businesses made a profit on that day this their accounting would all be in “black” ink instead of red which indicated a loss. As things progressed it turned into pretty much all businesses doing some kind of big sales events on that day. It’s almost entirely due to Christmas purchases but people now delay buying some stuff during the year to then go buy it on BF thinking they will get a better deal. When in reality the merchants know this and raise the prices beforehand so they can then say everything is on sale when really it might only be slightly cheaper if at, from the normal price.
No they wouldn’t lol. Black Friday “deals” and “sales” literally came about as Christmas sales and deals. They just eventually gave it a name because all the stores started doing their Christmas sales on the same day. No other holiday has such rampant consumerism that sales for that holiday creates its own mini holiday. Hell there’s even “Cyber Monday” now for online sales after Black Friday in store sales. Both exist specifically for Christmas sales.
"These holidays are actually pretty great, it’s capitalism that ruins everything. " Is basically the gist of both holidays. The difference is that Halloween, isn’t nearly as capitalism infected as Christmas. Other than decorations and costumes, spending on candy is no where near what it is for Christmas presents. And making a good costume doesn’t even have to be expensive. The worst part about it is the candy and stuff but even that is part of the fun because kids love going around and getting treats and stuff. And I LOVE giving out candy and seeing all the kids in costumes.
Also, dressing up in costumes is awesome. I love it. It’s so much fun. I feel it would pretty easy to convert it to a less consumer minded holiday.
Depend where. In USA, maybe, but in Poland it’s the christmas that is still resisting while Halloween is 100% cultural hegemony enchroachment and seems to be celebrated mostly by americanized people and retail shops.
Still, i would take it over the incredibly sad and drab Polish All Saints Day since it’s just distilled boredom and sadness, why even other catholic countries like Mexico can have it fun and we are left without even the medieval danse macabre, just the feeling of doom and feeding money to priests.
Debatable.
Here Halloween is a cultural import from the US promoted by stores copying the aesthetics from American TV shows. There is a holiday with a different name on the same day that shares a common root with Halloween that got completely replaced by Halloween. And this only happened over the last few decades.
Disagree on the debatable. I don’t think it’s debatable at all. All you have to do is look at how short the marketing time is for Halloween VS Christmas. Halloween marketing doesn’t really kick up until October and you don’t really see many people doing decorations anymore. Meanwhile, stores start marketing for Christmas before Halloween is even over. People turn black Friday into its own little shopping holiday. I know people that spend part of their Thanksgiving day, planning their Black Friday. Halloween has become and afterthought as Christmas consumerism has already devoured Thanksgiving.
How christmasy is black friday really? As you’ve said it’s more of its own little shipping holiday.
Decoration is not inherently consumerism.
Because it exists entirely because of Christmas. Christmas consumerism MADE Black Friday. Without Christmas, there is no Black Friday. It exists solely to feed the consumerism of Christmas… One could say, If Christmas was America, Black Friday is Israel.
i thought black friday was a yankee thanksgiving thing? it’s a very recent import to my country and we’ve had christmas forever
It’s supposed to be the day that retailers are pushed over the financial red line back into black ink, but I don’t think anyone is
believingbuying that for a few decades, now.It was started as just a “BIG CHRISTMAS SALES” day many years ago. It was dubbed “Black Friday” because more and more businesses made a profit on that day this their accounting would all be in “black” ink instead of red which indicated a loss. As things progressed it turned into pretty much all businesses doing some kind of big sales events on that day. It’s almost entirely due to Christmas purchases but people now delay buying some stuff during the year to then go buy it on BF thinking they will get a better deal. When in reality the merchants know this and raise the prices beforehand so they can then say everything is on sale when really it might only be slightly cheaper if at, from the normal price.
They would have found another reason.
No they wouldn’t lol. Black Friday “deals” and “sales” literally came about as Christmas sales and deals. They just eventually gave it a name because all the stores started doing their Christmas sales on the same day. No other holiday has such rampant consumerism that sales for that holiday creates its own mini holiday. Hell there’s even “Cyber Monday” now for online sales after Black Friday in store sales. Both exist specifically for Christmas sales.